***Official 2010 F1 thread***

A few more news stories
Bernie: F1 rebels got 'carried away'
Bernie Ecclestone believes teams got carried away when they threatened to set up a breakaway Formula 1 series earlier this year, the sport’s commercial supremo saying he saw “no logic” in a rebel championship.

God he's a *****

FIA’s Purnell wants more rule changes
The FIA’s technical consultant Tony Purnell believes that the major rule changes introduced in Formula 1 this season have not gone nearly far enough to improve the spectacle.

BMW aims to improve car to lure buyer
Mario Theissen says BMW Sauber will continue to do everything it can to improve its performance between now and the end of the season as he believes it will be the best way of showcasing the squad’s talents to a prospective buyer.

Montreal close to finalising 2010 return
Montreal is in the process of finalising a new deal with Bernie Ecclestone which will see the Canadian Grand Prix return to the calendar in 2010, the city’s mayor has said.

New Concorde deal ends F1 war
The political war that threatened to tear Formula 1 apart earlier this year has been officially ended with the news that FIA president Max Mosley has signed a new Concorde Agreement.

Whitmarsh confident of 2010 title shot
McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh is confident his team is well-placed to return to title-challenging form next season after its recent breakthrough with this year’s car

US F1 to shun ‘tempting’ pay drivers
US F1 co-founder Peter Windsor says the fledgling Formula 1 team will not abandon its mission of giving opportunities to talented young American drivers, despite receiving “tempting” offers of personal sponsorship backing from proven racers of other nationalities.

FIA writes to teams over 2010 vacancy
The FIA has reopened the 2010 application process for the one new place which has become available on the grid following BMW’s decision to quit Formula 1 at the end of the season.

Ferrari wants third car option in 2010
Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has revealed that the Italian squad is pushing for teams to run three cars in the 2010 season.

YouTube co-founder backs Team US F1
The new Team US F1 has pulled off a major coup by securing the services of YouTube co-founder and CEO Chad Hurley for its 2010 assault on grand prix racing, as AUTOSPORT predicted.

1Villeneuve plots return to expanded F1
LONDON -- Jacques Villeneuve wants to return to Formula One as part of the expanded series from 2010.
 
Kubica: Manufacturer not a prerequisite
Robert Kubica says he has yet to decide which team he wants to drive for in 2010, with the Pole revealing he won’t necessarily swap BMW for another manufacturer team.

Rosberg has ‘great options’ for 2010
Nico Rosberg is bullish about his chances of securing a 2010 drive that will take his Formula 1 career to the next level, but admits he is still assessing whether that means staying at Williams or moving elsewhere

Brawn GP likely to re-sign Barrichello
Ross Brawn says he sees “no good reason” to change his team’s current driver line-up of Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello in view of their success this season.

Loeb eyes 2010 F1 race outings
Sebastien Loeb is interested in taking part in “one or several” grands prix next year provided they don’t clash with his rallying commitments.

Bernie gives Donington deadline
The long uncertainty over Donington’s British Grand Prix plans could be resolved in a matter of weeks after Bernie Ecclestone told the track its finances must be in place by the end of September or the race will return to Silverstone in 2010.

Suzuka agrees to host 2010 Japanese GP
The future of the Japanese Grand Prix beyond this year has been secured until at least 2011 after Bernie Ecclestone confirmed Suzuka will step into the void left by Fuji's departure from Formula 1.
 
mleanz1 said:
If this is true which i doubt then all involved should be kicked out of formula 1 and not allowed back!
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Different teams, different people, diffrent sponsors, different season.
IMO opinion once a season finishes that should be that. Go ahead and investigate if needed to change future rules. But there should be no come back.
 
dannyjo22 said:
So your saying if they found concrete evidence that say Lewis last year was actually using an illegal system that gave him a second per lap advantage he shouldn't be touched because it was last year?
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yes,
what happens if the team doesn't exist? or the team renames like brawn? Or the instigators aren't in the sport any more? Totally different sponsors?

where things change so much. If you aren't under investigation by the end of the season, then that should be that.
 
consistency is key. it is done and dusted. It should not change this years racing and certainly should n ot change last years results.

And what happens if the team is not the same?
What would you want happen if Nelson was in a diffrent team. Punish that team as well?

As I said I have no problem in investigating it to change future rules. but there should 100% be no punishment. The history books will still say x-cheated in x-race and sponsors will still know and make up there own mind.
 
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stockhausen said:
Do you believe that if you were to be pulled for drink driving or speeding or both, you would be able to avoid punishment by saying that if you had been killed you couldn't be punished?
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It's more like trying to be charged for speeding, when they didn't send the letter out within 28days.

It's not just if they left the sport. How about if people have simply changed teams. It is totally ridiculuse to dig up past championships. How about going back to the 80's or early 90's and start investigating them. Everyone knows everyone cheats as much as possible.where the gentlemens agreement gone.
 
stockhausen said:
But we aren't talking about going back 20 or 30 years, we are talking about something that happened less than 12 months ago, involving a team, a driver and a team principal who are still involved in exactly the same capacity as they were at the time of the alleged cheating.
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Where you draw the line?
12 months, 24? 240 months?

IMO it should several weeks after the season finishes.
 
FrankJH said:
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So you want to only punish the team if every thing's the same, well that's rubbish and not very consistent is it. That's a massive problem for me and why nothing should be done. The past is that past and all that.
They got away with it, give them a clap and a well done for getting away with it and move on. Every team in f1 cheats.
 
Williams opposed to three-car teams
Three-car Formula 1 teams would “not be healthy” for the competitiveness of the sport, according to Sir Frank Williams.

Mercedes set to invest in Brawn
Mercedes-Benz is set to take a shareholding in Brawn GP in addition to supplying the world championship-leading team with its engines, according to a report in the Daily Telegraph.

No more F1 battles, promises Vatanen
Ari Vatanen has promised to create a much more conciliatory working relationship between the FIA and the Formula 1 teams if he is elected as the new FIA president.

Vatanen wants to protect Euro races
Ari Vatanen has vowed to safeguard Formula 1's traditional races if he is elected as the new FIA president.

Bernie: GP ticket prices set to fall
Bernie Ecclestone says the moves by the teams and the FIA to reduce the cost of competing in Formula 1 will ultimately result in a better deal for fans as ticket prices for races can also be reduced.

Ecclestone to visit Indian GP venue
Bernie Ecclestone says there are no doubts surrounding India's preparations for its inaugural grand prix in 2011 ahead of his visit to lay the foundation stone at the country’s new circuit in October.

South Korea secures funds for 2010 GP
Promoters of the planned South Korean Formula 1 race say they now have the funding in place to build a circuit that will be ready in time to host a grand prix next year.




totally agree with Frank 3 car teams would be rubbish. i don't see how it would work. it would be such an unfair advantage and rubbish.
 
FrankJH said:
Im not sure what Renault / Flav and Symonds hope to gain from the lawsuit though

I understand either way its criminal from the Piquets to do this - but its keeping the "Renault" name in the news for very bad reasons (and if anything just made it even more high profile) - which is only bad news for them / their jobs imo

I cant believe how badly advised Piquet Senior has been in all this , yes its his son thats the main protagonist but Snr is still a big name in the sport and how to ruin your name in 5 minutes after years of dedication - it seems stupid
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Doesn't this very much depend on the outcome of whats happened?

If NP is lying then they can show in a court that he has tried to blackmail and devalue Renaults name.

However if NP isn't lying then surly all these law suites are goign to come back to bite FB on the rear??????
 
I know, I know, I'm late on the bandwagon but..

Renault splits with Briatore, Symonds
Renault F1 has parted company with team boss Flavio Briatore and engineering chief Pat Symonds over the race-fixing allegations made by its former driver Nelson Piquet Jr.

Piquet has accused Briatore and Symonds of asking him to help secure victory for his then team-mate Fernando Alonso in last year’s Singapore Grand Prix by crashing and triggering a safety car period that played perfectly into Alonso’s hands.

In a statement issued on Wednesday, Renault said it would not contest that charge when it appears before the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council next Monday.

It added that Briatore and Symonds had now left the team.

“The ING Renault F1 Team will not dispute the recent allegations made by the FIA concerning the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix,” the statement said.

“It also wishes to state that its managing director, Flavio Briatore, and its executive director of engineering, Pat Symonds, have left the team.

“Before attending the hearing before the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on 21 September 2009, the team will not make any further comment.”

Renault had been given a deadline of today to put in its official defence submissions to the FIA ahead of next Monday’s WMSC hearing.

Its decision not to do so appears to amount to an admission that it conspired to cause a deliberate crash for its own competitive benefit – an offence that FIA president Max Mosley said last weekend would be even more serious than cheating or race-fixing because it put human lives at risk.

Mosley said that if Renault were to be found guilty, a severe penalty would be warranted and the World Motor Sport Council could go as far as banning the team from Formula 1 for all time.

“It could be anything up to disqualification,” he said.

“Because that's what's set out in the [International Sporting Code].

“Disqualification means you are out, finished.

“Out. Total. Exclusion forever, gone, finished.

“That is the worst that could happen.”

The race-fixing allegations came to light shortly after Piquet was fired by Renault for failing to hit performance targets.

Only last Friday Renault announced that it, and Briatore, had launched criminal proceedings against Piquet for making “false allegations” and attempting to blackmail the team into retaining him.

Piquet’s three-time world champion father approached Mosley with the allegations after the Hungarian Grand Prix and his 23-year-old son made a statement to the FIA on July 30.

He announced his split from Renault four days later, launching a fierce attack on Briatore – his manager as well as team boss – who he labelled his “executioner”.

After receiving the testimony from Piquet Jr, the FIA launched an investigation into the claims and interviewed Briatore, Symonds and other team members at the Belgian Grand Prix.

Piquet’s statement and key evidence such as telemetry data and radio transmissions were leaked to the media in the lead-up to last weekend’s Monza event.

In an apparent attempt to isolate Briatore, the FIA has offered Symonds immunity from punishment at the WMSC hearing in return for full disclosure of the facts pertaining to the Singapore incident – having promised the same to Piquet before the Brazilian made his statement.

It is not known whether Symonds has taken up the FIA’s offer, nor whether he and Briatore will now appear at the hearing in view of their departure from the team.
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So both clearly guilty and Renault will not contest.
With both being sacked and not contesting. Do you really thing they will be banned? I just can't see it. Another huge fine and tight regulations like McLaren.

Roll on the end of the month for the case.
 
Just some more news on he scandal

F1 will recover from scandal – Bernie
Bernie Ecclestone is confident Formula 1 will recover from the Renault race-fixing scandal, just as it has done from other controversies in the past.

Head: Scandal muddies engine choice
Williams co-owner Patrick Head has admitted that the race-fixing saga that has engulfed Renault has complicated his team’s choice of an engine supplier for next year.

Briatore: "I stepped down to save team"
Adriano Galliani, the vice-president of the AC Milan football team and a close personal friend, has described Flavio Briatore's departure as Renault boss as a "noble gesture".

Piquet vows to keep fighting Briatore
Nelson Piquet's famous father and namesake has vowed to contest the legal action mentioned by the Renault team in a recent official media statement.

Further consequences for Renault pair
The loss of their jobs may not be the only ramifications faced by Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds after effectively admitting to race-fixing amid the 'crash-gate' scandal.



I think flav pushed Piquet to far, he wasn't likely to get another sea, so he's going at it head first..
 
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