Moreover, in McLaren's case the employees in question were relatively minor players, yet at Renault they were the two most senior people in the pitlane!
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Yes but they should have been handed a 2yr ban, the only reason it's suspended is the FIA know Renault would just stick two fingers up at them and walk away... and as Vertigo1 pointed out I doubt breaking the Concorde contract will cost as much as a season competing in F1.
Eh? Minor?
2 time World Champion, Test Driver, Design Chief.....
They ban they have got is a lifetime ban, but suspended for 2 years and only enforceable upon guilt from a similar offence.
As for the fine - it could be to the amount of financing a new team for the remaining years of their contract.
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Ok maybe "minor" is the wrong word but I did say "relatively", which compared to the seniority of Briatore and Symonds, they were. We're not talking Dennis & Whitmarsh here.
Also, Alonso may have known what was going on but I don't think he was actually complicit in it, was he?
Totally agree.
This is an invitation to other teams to just cheat away and if they get caught just say one person did it and make him take the fall.
Using some info on another car = 100 million fine and lose championship points
Fixing a race and endangering driver and spectators = slap on the wrist
To the vast vast majority of people who whach F1, are influenced by the sponsors adverts etc. the details of the FIA ruling are irrelevant. All they need to know is that Renault conspired to fix a race and now the top brass have been thrown out of world motorsport. Job done. Move on.
Okay, a few hard core fans, who know what the 'FIA' is, remember details of previous rulings and see this as inconstant... fair enough.
However if the result of the FIA ruling was to remove the Renault team from the sport in the future then millions of fans all over the world would have rightly though that the powers-that-be had been ridiculous harsh and damaged the sport they like to watch on a Sunday afternoon.
The FIA ruling is the only politically acceptable thing they could have done... The only generous thing IMO is that they keep this year's constructor points and TV money. Maybe the significant contribution to FIA safety stuff will be of similar magnitude!
Okay, a few hard core fans, who know what the 'FIA' is, remember details of previous rulings and see this as inconstant... fair enough.
However if the result of the FIA ruling was to remove the Renault team from the sport in the future then millions of fans all over the world would have rightly though that the powers-that-be had been ridiculous harsh and damaged the sport they like to watch on a Sunday afternoon.
The FIA ruling is the only politically acceptable thing they could have done... The only generous thing IMO is that they keep this year's constructor points and TV money. Maybe the significant contribution to FIA safety stuff will be of similar magnitude!
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Oh my bad, BBC is reporting "suspended two year ban" I hadn't read the FIA release but have now.
I have to say this is just what I expected would happen, there was no way they would have banned them from the sport. It's pretty crazy you can race fix, and put lives in danger, and get such a relatively light punishment. I see they've effectively banned any of the drivers/teams working with Flav though. I wonder where this leaves people managed by him.
So you think it is okay that the FIA make up the rules as they go along and decide a penalty according to circumstances
They cheated and got constructor points illegally so they should be thrown out of the championship.
You are missing a vital point imo
When the general public hear of this - they will be reading it in newspapers / on the radio / from the BBC etc, and all those journo's will also have comments to make - what is the chance that none of the journo's reference the McLaren verdict (slim to none would be my guess - and slim just left town
)I really hope the FIA are put under pressure for this verdict (maybe they cant change it , but at least they can be hauled over the coals as well for inconsistancy)
While I can understand that this has been decided the 'best' outcome for the sport overall by the FIA - Max is a remarkably shrewd operator, whatever else you may think of him - I have to agree with others here. The judgement seems disproportionate when compared to the McLaren penalties.
My injusty-sense is tingling
My injusty-sense is tingling
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Not the result I had hoped for.
I was thinking it would be something along the lines of Renault being given a large fine AND a suspension of some kind, with Renault then doing something like sueing Flav for damages which would be then used to pay the fine. Seems a bit of a cop out by the FIA.
I was thinking it would be something along the lines of Renault being given a large fine AND a suspension of some kind, with Renault then doing something like sueing Flav for damages which would be then used to pay the fine. Seems a bit of a cop out by the FIA.
I very much doubt that the FIA have cancelled any contracts as they simply don't have the power to do so. What have done is told the affected drivers "You can't have a race license until you cut all ties with Flav".
You'd assume that the contracts between flav and each driver would include clauses to allow the driver to cancel the contract in the event of such sanctions being applied but it's not inconcievable that there may be drivers who are forced to buy themselves out of their management contracts in order that they can continue with their careers.
By who? The press? Scary but hardly the worst thing in the world. The FIA will just refuse to give any information to them regarding the case.
I do agree with you though
By who? The press? Scary but hardly the worst thing in the world. The FIA will just refuse to give any information to them regarding the case.
I do agree with you though
Taken from FIA press release
Undoubtedly, Simon. But no matter what anyone says, the FIA won't change their mind or review the cases to see where they might have made a more balanced decision, especially in comparison with the McLaren case.
I'm sure they view each case totally separately, hence the lack of consistency
I'm sure they view each case totally separately, hence the lack of consistency
I'm suggesting that Flav is the person most directly responsible and the one who has recieved the harshest punishment.
Different times, different crimes different fines.
McLaren were fined and points taken when everyone was on the crest of a credit high with no end in sight and manufacturers waiting to jump into F1.
Renault get caught at the bottom of the worst financial episode in 50 years, car manufacturers can't splurge money into F1. Honda walked last year, BMW walk end of this year. Toyota not 100% committed and Renualt had talked about walking earlier in the year.
F1 is being watered down slowly as it is. Waving a big stick will just screw F1 even more.
Its a slap on the wrists for sure, but what else can they do?
McLaren were fined and points taken when everyone was on the crest of a credit high with no end in sight and manufacturers waiting to jump into F1.
Renault get caught at the bottom of the worst financial episode in 50 years, car manufacturers can't splurge money into F1. Honda walked last year, BMW walk end of this year. Toyota not 100% committed and Renualt had talked about walking earlier in the year.
F1 is being watered down slowly as it is. Waving a big stick will just screw F1 even more.
Its a slap on the wrists for sure, but what else can they do?