***Official 2010 F1 thread***
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, can't believe they have been let off so easily.
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Yeah, lets get rid of Renault and all their staff! Get 3 car teams in, or another back marker team to get in the way, and employ grim drivers for sponsorship revenue! That's what we want!
BLOOD!
It's a **** thing to have happened but we're rid of Briatore now. Renault have complied to the best of their ability as far as we are told.
Were all the higher up folks aware of what had been done? Or was it just the FB/PS/NP gang?
There's a lot of "it isn't fair" attitude going about, with what seems like childish calls to bring about the destruction of the team.
Would that really be good for F1? Would it be good for the people employed by them? If possible, ruining the team for good should never be the preferred option...
It's a terrible thing that's been done, you can bet accidents will be more closely watched now though. What's done is done though, dumping Renault now wouldn't fix it or make it at all better.
BLOOD!
It's a **** thing to have happened but we're rid of Briatore now. Renault have complied to the best of their ability as far as we are told.
Were all the higher up folks aware of what had been done? Or was it just the FB/PS/NP gang?
There's a lot of "it isn't fair" attitude going about, with what seems like childish calls to bring about the destruction of the team.
Would that really be good for F1? Would it be good for the people employed by them? If possible, ruining the team for good should never be the preferred option...
It's a terrible thing that's been done, you can bet accidents will be more closely watched now though. What's done is done though, dumping Renault now wouldn't fix it or make it at all better.
Yes I do.
Ron Dennis prided himself on his integrity to such a degree that I cannot imagine him sanctioning anything like that, nor would he want to win that way, by obtaining detailed technical info on a competitor and effectively cheating.
Had he known about it earlier, he'd have done something about it.
It does not matter it has shown many times before the team is responsible, regardless of who actually does it.
Nothing childish about it, we want and the sport needs consistency. I didn't even want them to look into it. But know they have, they should apply a consistent punishment.
It wouldn't harm the sport. It is very unlikely they would lose their jobs. A buyer would be found and they would have a new name. If that didn't happen one of the teams which didn't get in, would get in. Who would need these people anyway.
why? they aren' goign to start swapping medals and wins around after the season has finished.
I don't mean swapping or anything like that, just strip him of the win.
didnt he used to be a used car salesmen?
Who's talking about getting rid of them? Just a one race ban would have been something. **** me, BAR got a two race ban just for being a little bit tricky about their fuel tank construction. Michael Schumacher got a two race ban for overtaking Damon Hill on the warm-up lap and subsequently ignoring black flags. And Renault.....Renault get the best part of **** all for having one of their drivers crash into a wall in order to get their other driver into a position where he can win the race.
I don't get it. What on Earth do Renault have on these people?
When BAR got the fuel tank penalty the FIA made statements about it being a new era against cheating. That anyone cheating would be dealt with harshly. Maybe he just meant Mclaren.
I'm all for pounding the cheaters and running them out of the sport but yet again there is no consistency.
A worn plank carries a harsher penalty than consipring to cheat and fake a crash, madness.
Even Benetton got away with some big ones so it must be flav with the pictures.
The very least I would have expected them to ban them for the rest of the season and that would be a weak penalty because they aren't racing for anything.
This one ranks right up there with excluding MS from a season already over that he didnt win.
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BEst thing to do is say you are thinking of quiting F1 season after season. Works for Renualt. IMO the fia have not given them a more just fine becuase they don't want them to quit F1. There must be some accountant in Renault cursing the crap fine, well another year in F1.
Hehehe.
Sorry JRS, but that doesnt work.
Here's how I see it.
Renault did something bad in 2007 (possessing McLaren data). They got a suspended ban, which was about right. It was McLaren's punishment which was totally out of proportion (more on this later).
Renault then won a race in 2008, using illegal methods. (Note: they didn't fix the race as this would've involved deciding who was going to win the race, before the race had finished and probably paying off every driver/team on the grid...instead they just asked one driver to crash, which in turn favoured their other driver, which they profited from).
McLaren on the other hand, were involved in a very close battle with Ferrari in 2007. They needed to be stopped and the FIA offered them all the assistance they could. This meant that for a lesser crime, they received the harsher punishment, which was completely out of proportion to all punishments previously dished out by the FIA.
I can bet you that if Renault were competing against Ferrari, Renault would've been punished hard enough to prevent them from finishing ahead of Ferrari.
The FIA did not assist Renault. They merely gave them a punishment which was right from the crime.
The FIA are consistent, however, if Ferrari are somehow involved, they make their decisions to assist Ferrari in every way possible.
Today's decision was the right one and in line with previous decisions made by the FIA (bar those involving McLaren/Ferrari).
Renault DID fix the race - it doesnt HAVE to be a win for it to be a fixed result
I cant see how that ISNT fixing
It can involve anything to be fixed - whether its a 5 car pileup at the first corner, x car stopping on lap 30 for 25s for a broken front wing
If someone gains (monitarily, position or anything else preferentially) by underhand / illegal means then its fixing. I personally think few people would disagree
(if Hamilton had needed to fix the result in Brazil last year to win the WDC, Im sure it would be seen as a "fix" evne though he only just did enough to win by a single point)
Ah, sunama. Where would I be without you?
In some utopian paradise land, probably.....
Damn.
Mosley denies Renault leniency.
Ugh. Renault really must have something serious on some high up people to keep getting away with **** that would have seen McLaren thrown out for all time. Can't be nudie snaps. What the hell is it?
Ugh. Renault really must have something serious on some high up people to keep getting away with **** that would have seen McLaren thrown out for all time. Can't be nudie snaps. What the hell is it?
Its not that they have anything on them.
Its that Max doesnt think Flav set him up in a reputation damaging nazi orgy scandal.
Lets face it, now that Ron is out of the F1 picture theres been a lot less anti-mclaren attitude from the FIA.
Its that Max doesnt think Flav set him up in a reputation damaging nazi orgy scandal.
Lets face it, now that Ron is out of the F1 picture theres been a lot less anti-mclaren attitude from the FIA.
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I am absolutely disgusted with the lenient punishment.
However I can easily imagine being in the FIA's position, feeling exactly the same, and yet delivering this judgement. With the leaving of the three offenders, and the precarious position of global finances and renault's involvement in the sport, I can understand.
However I can easily imagine being in the FIA's position, feeling exactly the same, and yet delivering this judgement. With the leaving of the three offenders, and the precarious position of global finances and renault's involvement in the sport, I can understand.