***Official 2010 F1 thread***

AcidHell2 said:
how does it lose it's point. That would be ok on parade lap. But I'm tlking about a system that is not power or time limited. Meaning pre charged would be very bad indeed.
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Ok, pre-charge on parade lap good. Pre-charge in garage bad (hence losing its point as a Kinetic Energy Recovery System).

Under my idea the energy would still be recovered by energy normally lost through braking but the ECU would restrict its use (as it does now to 6.6secs per lap) but tweak it for another edge to its use. The point is then not lost of the idea of trying to be green but the point of it also to aid the interest on the sport (more overtaking) would be improved in my opinion.
 
tonyyeb said:
Under my idea the energy would still be recovered by energy normally lost through braking but the ECU would restrict its use (as it does now to 6.6secs per lap) but tweak it for another edge to its use. The point is then not lost of the idea of trying to be green but the point of it also to aid the interest on the sport (more overtaking) would be improved in my opinion.
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the problem with heavy restriction is there is no design and progression. Within a few seasons the system would be perfect and yet again you might as well hand out a standard unit. We need inivation back and more than just aero dynamics.
 
AcidHell2 said:
the problem with heavy restriction is there is no design and progression. Within a few seasons the system would be perfect and yet again you might as well hand out a standard unit. We need inivation back and more than just aero dynamics.
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But if you do that then the big spending teams will soon have a huge advantage making the sport uninteresting to the average viewer. The average viewer doesn't want to see the return of the Schumacher winning every race by a lap seasons.
 
tonyyeb said:
But if you do that then the big spending teams will soon have a huge advantage making the sport uninteresting to the average viewer. The average viewer doesn't want to see the return of the Schumacher winning every race by a lap seasons.
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It's been worse since all the electronics and design has been banned.
It means smaller teams can't come up with inventive ideas and the only real gains are though extremly expensive aero and wind tunnel testing.
 
another reason for 3 car teams (according to Patrick Head they wouldnt actually cost that much to run) - 3rd car doesnt score points but valuable experience for the driver, the team can try new parts in a race scenario so less tunnel testing required, more cars on track making the racing and spectacle more fun......
 
Duke said:
Another one has jumped ship as well - Mutua Madrilena. They are going to look quite funny without the colours/logos :eek:

Pic - http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/24/ing-and-mutua-madrilena-drop-renault/
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So are the Renault team going to have to cover up a load of panels this weekend with white sheets (or try and respray of course)

Im still trying to get "BMW-Sauber - Ferrari" in my head for next year, just sounds so stupid (I understand that somehow BMW may still be in the team name ?) - not directly comparable but still a little strange advertising your own competitor lol
 
Is anyone else worried about the future of F1? I've only really properly been following it for about 5 years and it's been great. But now a lot of the changes being implemented are starting to make me worry. I also think it's about time for Ecclestone to step down. Put someone a bit younger and with brighter ideas in charge.

Also, is this medal system really going to be implemented next year? I also think KERS is horrible and hasn't improved racing at all. It needs to be given the boot.

2007/08 was fantastic. 2009 so far has been ok. Wonder what 2010 will bring.
 
kaiowas said:
If they were doing that we'd be seeing the return of the Sauber-Mercedes though.
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They did only run in F1 with Mercedes (read: Ilmor) engines for two years though. Compared with two years running Ford Cosworth motors, and nine years running re-badged Ferraris :)
 
JRS said:
They did only run in F1 with Mercedes (read: Ilmor) engines for two years though. Compared with two years running Ford Cosworth motors, and nine years running re-badged Ferraris :)
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I know but I loved the Group C cars and ever since Sauber came into F1 I've been wanting them to do the full on Mercedes works team with plain silver cars and black wings again. Will never happen now that Merc are so well in with McLaren though.
 
.Sean said:
Is anyone else worried about the future of F1?
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Every day. But it's still here after all the ****.

.Sean said:
I've only really properly been following it for about 5 years and it's been great. But now a lot of the changes being implemented are starting to make me worry.
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Such as? Personally, I welcome the return of no refuelling next year. Think that's the only major change.

.Sean said:
I also think it's about time for Ecclestone to step down. Put someone a bit younger and with brighter ideas in charge.
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I don't think it needs any brighter ideas on the commercial side of things. And at least Bernie is pretty harmless.

Where we do need a clean sweep is at the FIA, which is why we need Ari Vatanen to become president and not Jean Todt.

.Sean said:
Also, is this medal system really going to be implemented next year?
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Doubt it.

.Sean said:
I also think KERS is horrible and hasn't improved racing at all. It needs to be given the boot.
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If they want energy recovery systems, then they need to bring back ******* turbocharging! KERS is a blind alley with the way they have it implemented, it'll never amount to more than a device used to prevent people getting by you in general. Turbocharging, with constraints on engine size and boost limits to keep power levels sane, adds whole other dimensions - fuel management, tyre management, engine life management.

.Sean said:
2007/08 was fantastic.
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No, it wasn't. Far too many botched stewards decisions, far too much off-track politics, not enough serious action to forgive the first two.

.Sean said:
2009 so far has been ok.
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Again, the off-track stuff has dominated far too much. Add that to Liegate and Crashgate....not good.

.Sean said:
Wonder what 2010 will bring.
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Hopefully, final proof that bringing refuelling back in 1994 was a gigantic mistake that should have been reversed long before now.
 
JRS said:
Such as? Personally, I welcome the return of no refuelling next year. Think that's the only major change.
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The major overhaul on aero hasn't really done anything for me other than shuffle the teams about.

JRS said:
I don't think it needs any brighter ideas on the commercial side of things. And at least Bernie is pretty harmless.

Where we do need a clean sweep is at the FIA, which is why we need Ari Vatanen to become president and not Jean Todt.
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I just can't stand all the crap that comes out of Bernies mouth. Just listening to him annoys me. I get the feeling that most of the people on the paddock don't even like him.

Ari Vantanen is the Finnish guy from WRC right? Don't know much about him but I do remember reading an article on formula1.com about him a while back. Don't really want Jean Todt in charge.


JRS said:
Doubt it.
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Really hope not. It's stupid.


JRS said:
If they want energy recovery systems, then they need to bring back ******* turbocharging! KERS is a blind alley with the way they have it implemented, it'll never amount to more than a device used to prevent people getting by you in general. Turbocharging, with constraints on engine size and boost limits to keep power levels sane, adds whole other dimensions - fuel management, tyre management, engine life management.
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That sounds a lot better than KERS. I have no problems with the cars being perfectly standard though. I can't be bothered with all this "save the planet" crap they're trying to get F1 muddled up with.


JRS said:
No, it wasn't. Far too many botched stewards decisions, far too much off-track politics, not enough serious action to forgive the first two.
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You didn't enjoy the racing? Watching Hamilton come into F1 was amazing. Was a real close fight right until the end. Same goes for the following season. Real hard fought battle right until the bitter end.

Of course all the off-track stuff has spoiled a lot of it. But I had a great time watching the races unfold.

I'm obviously out of my league here since I've not been following F1 as long as some of you. It'll be interesting for me reading this thread over the next few months as I've only ever read official news statements.

All I can say is, come on Heikki! Although the prospect of Kimi back in a McLaren is certainly exciting for me since he was my favourite driver next to Coulthard. (and Mika before Kimi)
 
F1 needs to be about future technology, with the current focus on the environment I am surprised they haven't decided on going with very small supercharged and turbocharged engines, current engine power is a laugh, there used to be a time when Eau Rouge for instance was a test of nerves, now it's flatout and easy.

One front wing, one rear wing, turbo engines and fatter slicks and no diffusers is what I would like to see.
 
1 Great Britain J Button Brawn
2 Australia M Webber Red Bull
3 Finland H Kovalainen McLaren
4 Germany N Rosberg Williams
5 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
6 Italy G Fisichella Ferrari
7 France R Grosjean Renault
8 Japan K Nakajima Williams
9 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
10 Finland K Raikkonen Ferrari
11 Italy J Trulli Toyota
12 Germany T Glock Toyota
13 Italy V Liuzzi Force India
14 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
15 Poland R Kubica BMW Sauber
16 Germany N Heidfeld BMW Sauber
17 Spain F Alonso Renault
18 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
19 Germany A Sutil Force India
20 Brazil R Barrichello Brawn

First practice red-flagged following Grosjean crash

If thats the result on Sunday, thats practically perfect for JB

MW would be knocked out of the WDC race by 1/2 point
Vettel would be out of the race
Barrichello would have to win all the remaining races to stand a chance (well theoretically he could get a win and 2 seconds - as long as JB didnt score over 7 points in all three)

Very early in the weekend I know - also wondering if Rubens is actually sharing data like he should be now (well its rumoured it was Jock Clear not sharing as he should );)

JRS said:
If they want energy recovery systems, then they need to bring back ******* turbocharging! KERS is a blind alley with the way they have it implemented, it'll never amount to more than a device used to prevent people getting by you in general. Turbocharging, with constraints on engine size and boost limits to keep power levels sane, adds whole other dimensions - fuel management, tyre management, engine life management.
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I understand where you are going and I would love to see the return of Turbos - but cant really call them energy "recovery" sytem though can you
 
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FrankJH said:
I understand where you are going and I would love to see the return of Turbos - but cant really call them energy "recovery" sytem though can you
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Yeah, you can. All the kinetic energy of that exhaust gas gets wasted without a turbo, therefore it is a recovery system.

Compare The Meerkat.com said:
Simples!
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:)
 
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