Official 2010 F1 thread

tonyyeb · 23 Sep 2009 at 15:22

BBC Reporting Kimi not likely to be at Ferrari next year (shocker) but have screwed up a bit on Kimis recent history me thinks:

BBC said:
<Picture of Kimi>
Raikkonen finished third in his first season at Ferrari in 2008

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo says Kimi Raikkonen is not guaranteed to drive for the team next season.

The 29-year-old Finn won the 2007 drivers title with McLaren before switching to Ferrari but finished third in 2008 and lies fifth this season.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8271179.stm

EDIT: They've now corrected the errors!

Kol · 23 Sep 2009 at 15:34

EddScott said:
So who do we think is Witness X?

Someone in the spotlight or a behind the scenes chap.

i.e. - not the bloke in the other car?

A few sources I know have suggested Alan Permane.

philjohn · 23 Sep 2009 at 18:10

Stormrider said:
FIA has published the WMSC documents\;
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wmsc/2009/Pages/wmsc_220909_docs.aspx

Makes for some interested reading.
It sounds like it was initially Piquets idea that was put to Symonds and Briatore. They then went along with it.
Plus there is actually a whistler-blower who corroborated the intention to crash deliberately, but didn't know the plan was going ahead until the crash happened.

even better than the documents is the audio of the WMSC hearing, 70 odd minutes off it on that page.

Dutch Guy · 24 Sep 2009 at 10:08

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78806

Looks like the 2010 GP will be on the calender.

Also discussed in this thread: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18057942

tonyyeb · 24 Sep 2009 at 10:16

Dutch Guy said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78806

Looks like the 2010 GP will be on the calender.

Also discussed in this thread: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18057942

Not for certain:

However, following a meeting of government officials, sources have said that the closure of the circuit has been called off pending further legal discussions to take place next week following Spa's decision to appeal against the decision.

It is only open on appeal.

Flibster · 24 Sep 2009 at 14:18

BMW Sauber confirm Ferrari engines for 2010.

Errr....

Ok, whatever BMW Sauber becomes in 2010 they will use Ferrari engines...

So that makes it:

McLaren - Mercedes
Ferrari - Ferrari
Renault - Renault
Toyota - Toyota
BMW Sauber - Ferrari
Red Bull - ???
Toro Rosso - ???
Williams - ???
Force India - Mercedes
Brawn - ???
Campos - Cosworth
USF1 - Cosworth
Lotus - Cosworth
Manor - Cosworth

JRS · 24 Sep 2009 at 14:29

Makes sense I guess. Sauber did run with Ferrari motors for a long time pre-BMW.

Moley · 24 Sep 2009 at 14:34

Williams want Renault engines for next year.

spoonz · 24 Sep 2009 at 14:39

Flibster said:
BMW Sauber confirm Ferrari engines for 2010.

Errr....

Ok, whatever BMW Sauber becomes in 2010 they will use Ferrari engines...

So that makes it:

McLaren - Mercedes
Ferrari - Ferrari
Renault - Renault
Toyota - Toyota
BMW Sauber - Ferrari
Red Bull - Renault
Toro Rosso - Ferrari
Williams - Renault
Force India - Mercedes
Brawn - Mercedes
Campos - Cosworth
USF1 - Cosworth
Lotus - Cosworth
Manor - Cosworth

Flibster · 24 Sep 2009 at 14:40

Sauber-Ferrari
Williams-Renault
Lotus-Cosworth

Whats going on? Are they just trolling the archives to see what combinations sounded best?

tonyyeb · 24 Sep 2009 at 14:41

spoonz said:
Red Bull - Renault

That is this year but are they not after a Merc engine?

Malt_Vinegar · 24 Sep 2009 at 14:57

Apparently, Williams have had Cosworth down at HQ I hear (amongst others)

tonyyeb · 24 Sep 2009 at 14:58

Malt_Vinegar said:
Apparently, Williams have had Cosworth down at HQ I hear (amongst others)

Well they wont have Toyota next year which is fairly certain. So it must also mean they are confident that their KERS system that they plan to run next year can mat to 'other' engines easily enough?

Glaucus · 24 Sep 2009 at 15:01

now \ mclaren have overcome the weight and balance problems with kers. It would be mad if the majority of the teams did not run it.

tonyyeb · 24 Sep 2009 at 15:08

I would like to see KERS ran next year but change from 6.6 seconds a lap to something like 100 seconds a race no more than 7 seconds use on a lap (15 laps of use at maximum 7 seconds). That way you wouldn't have cars never being able to be overtaken by a non-KERS car (Fisi vs Kimi @ Spa) and a bit more of a plan as to when to use it. A bit like the boost system used in F2 or what they had in Champ Car.

Glaucus · 24 Sep 2009 at 15:13

tonyyeb said:
I would like to see KERS ran next year but change from 6.6 seconds a lap to something like 100 seconds a race no more than 7 seconds use on a lap (15 laps of use at maximum 7 seconds). That way you wouldn't have cars never being able to be overtaken by a non-KERS car (Fisi vs Kimi @ Spa) and a bit more of a plan as to when to use it. A bit like the boost system used in F2 or what they had in Champ Car.

To bring design back to f1. They should limit the weight and electrical storage. Then allow them to use it anyway they want. Must start on the grid uncharged.

tonyyeb · 24 Sep 2009 at 15:14

AcidHell2 said:
Must start on the grid uncharged.

If they all had it then that surely wouldn't matter?

Glaucus · 24 Sep 2009 at 15:23

tonyyeb said:
If they all had it then that surely wouldn't matter?

means energy has to be made from breaking/enginr. Rather than pre charged.

tonyyeb · 24 Sep 2009 at 15:36

AcidHell2 said:
means energy has to be made from breaking/enginr. Rather than pre charged.

So why is that bad again? Why can't it be generated on the parade lap? That way KERS doesn't lose its point.

Glaucus · 24 Sep 2009 at 15:38

tonyyeb said:
So why is that bad again? Why can't it be generated on the parade lap? That way KERS doesn't lose its point.

how does it lose it's point. That would be ok on parade lap. But I'm tlking about a system that is not power or time limited. Meaning pre charged would be very bad indeed.

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