fair enough - thank you
***Official 2010 F1 thread***
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fair enough - thank you
I still remember watching the tongue of a Ferrari a couple of years ago being removed and having fairly large 2 blokes lifting it onto a trolly to move it.
The clunk as it hit the floor of the garage was fairly telling.
I still remember watching the tongue of a Ferrari a couple of years ago being removed and having fairly large 2 blokes lifting it onto a trolly to move it.
The clunk as it hit the floor of the garage was fairly telling.
or the marshall trying to pick up a Renault front wing
Thanks Stormrider. I was just going by the BMW system, didn't know others had batteries in different places etc. But then the Ferrari smoke systems/ batteries id forgot about.
I hope some teams run Kers.... stupid gentlemen's agreements...
and CS||nuts... without risking your job would it be under or over lets say.... 30kg? I dunno why i got 30kg as a figure in my head. Suprise me, is it over 30kg?
being placed higher - significantly reducing car balance, ulterring the floor pan and top body disrupting there aerodynamics. Better cooling? they had massive problems fitting the cooling and gearbox. Next year will be much improved. It just depends what all the other teams do.
I hope 2 or 3 teams do. But I can't see it being mclaren. Is there any punshiment/fine for putting kers in. As they have all signed a fota agreement.
The punishment is being kicked out of FOTA.... which is about as important as being kicked out of the Chess club at school for having a girlfriend....
They haven't signed anything Like a 100mill fine like they did for the rule changes then. If that's the case we might see some run kers then, or at least work on a kers equipped B car.
they've said tehy wont run it though, lets hope they do.
Although it's current form is rubbish. Look at Hamilton using it to get through the field. Extra boost on start/finish straight means you don't get held up in the pack and obviusly helpful but slight less so for real overtaking.
Also seen it used very well to keep faster cars behind.
In the long run it proved nothing, the season is not about one flying lap in qualifying or a good result on a certain track. You carry that weight regardless of track conditions and it is not always of benefit. There are so many scenarios where KERS is a good thing to have.
There are a equal amount of Scenarios where KERS is a negative.
In time [when KERS is developed and pushed to its limits] all F1 cars will probably run it [not my words,my boss's] but, that time is not here yet. Yes i agree on tracks with long straights or high speed sections, Spa for example it can be fantastic. On tracks with more complex sections [lets face it Bernie loves the tilke tracks with their "spectator" sections] KERS is a lot of baggage to carry.
It upsets the cars natural balance, it makes tyre wear more of an issue when laden with full fuel and the aero guys hate it.
I would love it to be on all the cars but, if it was, what would be the point? You would have 20-24 cars who all have a 80BHP boost out of a corner for 6 seconds a lap. Would that make F1 more interesting? Id sooner have turbos back really.
There are a equal amount of Scenarios where KERS is a negative.
In time [when KERS is developed and pushed to its limits] all F1 cars will probably run it [not my words,my boss's] but, that time is not here yet. Yes i agree on tracks with long straights or high speed sections, Spa for example it can be fantastic. On tracks with more complex sections [lets face it Bernie loves the tilke tracks with their "spectator" sections] KERS is a lot of baggage to carry.
It upsets the cars natural balance, it makes tyre wear more of an issue when laden with full fuel and the aero guys hate it.
I would love it to be on all the cars but, if it was, what would be the point? You would have 20-24 cars who all have a 80BHP boost out of a corner for 6 seconds a lap. Would that make F1 more interesting? Id sooner have turbos back really.
Only be a point if it is de regulated. Certain weight limit or electrical capacity/fly wheel weight. Let the teams decide how much they want to charge it up as that will massively affect breaking, how much BHP they use and how many seconds. Then it would have a big point and would also have real world benefits for road cars.
This is what I would love to see. A move away from aero. Limit fuel now refuelling has gone. Massively relax engine rules and energy recovery systems. Also allow rules for any other "green" fuel type. Electric, fuel cell. hydrogen ect. Get some proper development back with real world uses.
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In its current form it is not beneficial.i'll admit on some tracks [long distance to the 1st corner] its great. Over a race distance the extra weight and balancing issues rear their ugly head. If having a extra 80 bhp was so great [lets face it,80 bhp in a road car would be awesome] then surely the Mclaren and Ferrari would not have finished 70 points+ behind Brawn and Red Bull?
Already agreed.
How much of that is down to kers though. It's something we do not know and probably wont know. However look at the 2nd half of the season and how many points Hamilton won. It's one reason I would love to see McLaren use it next year. If they where bad again, it would almost certainly be down to kers as they finished on a high with a good car.
when did they start concentrating on 2010? maclaren said about 2/3 throught the season they had 1 more update then they were all on the 2010 car also.
Brawn has stated since the end of the season that after Turkey the 09 car only had two days in the wind tunnel
(not sure how much that actually gives away as Im sure a lot of time can be spent on things before getting to the wind tunnel stage but there you go)
Everyone goes on about how bad KERS was from a weight point of view but I think this is being used to mask the primary issue which is that the energy recovery part of the system seems to seriously affect the cars under braking and it takes the drivers a good while to adapt to it. At the start of the season all the KERS cars were rubbish and improved over the course of the season as the drivers got the hang of driving it. On top of this, experienced drivers who got into a KERS car mid season (Badoer, Fisi) seriously struggled when compared Kimi who had been in the car all year and had had time to get used to it.