***Official 2010 F1 thread***

The thing is, Mclaren are not far off having the fastest car even with Kers. If they got there with Kers they would be unbeatable. So many races are won in the first 150 meters of a GP and getting away with it would be invaluable.
 
I'm thinking Button would be better off at Brawn, but maybe he knows something we don't about their 2010 car or something...
 
If Brawn are taken over by Mercedes, Button would probably be wise to stay, but the German marque will not doubt no want him anyway, so a move to any team would be wise at the moment! He simnply has to move to keep his butt in F1.

Mclaren's in season development of the car, and the fact the regs this year are not as much of a revelation will mean that Mclaren should be a fairly safe bet to have a competative car next season. Also, Mclaren are all about racing, and getting equal footing will be important to Button. Racing against Lewis in the same car will be something that I think he will surely relish. Also, if the worst happens (from his point of view), and Lewis beats him, its no biggy! He just got beaten by another World Champion!

I also think that the fact that Brawn will probably be renamed is a great thing too. Brawn has set out what he intended to do, and the Brawn name will go down in history as a phenomial achievement. I think perhaps is best to go out with a bang, rather than fade away.

Brawn took the ultimate gamble, kept a team alive, won both championships, won 100% of the seasons entered and have had a hell of a ride! I think now he will be happy with less risk, and major manufacturer backing :)
 
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Malt_Vinegar said:
I also think that the fact that Brawn will probably be renamed is a great thing too. Brawn has set out what he intended to do, and the Brawn name will go down in history as a phenomial achievement. I think perhaps is best to go out with a bang, rather than fade away.

Brawn took the ultimate gamble, kept a team alive, won both championships, won 100% of the seasons entered and have had a hell of a ride! I think now he will be happy with less risk, and major manufacturer backing :)
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I agree, but can't help thinking its a massive sell out.

Button going to mclaren as well. Error. Imo he'll never be able to beat hamilton. Button is a great driver and all, as proved this season, but only really when the car is perfectly suited. Hamilton will drive the socks off the car no matter what. I think even if mclaren do have a decent car, and get their hands on a good engine, button will never do as well as he has done this season. Great shame. Was very much looking to see what brawn and button could do next season.
 
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dannyjo22 said:
The thing is, Mclaren are not far off having the fastest car even with Kers. If they got there with Kers they would be unbeatable. So many races are won in the first 150 meters of a GP and getting away with it would be invaluable.
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100% agree.

These days there is so little overtaking, the guy who gets into the first corner first has a very high chance of also winning the race. Add this to the fact that there will be no refuelling next year, getting into the first corner first will be even more important (as overtaking during the pitstop phase will be extremely difficult) and will require the driver to overtake on the track. Overtaking a KERS equipped car is almost impossible, so providing the KERS car isn't too slow during a normal lap, KERS is likely to increase the chances of a driver winning a race.
 
Thomas. PLease. said:
I agree, but can't help thinking its a bit of a sell out.
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Whilst I see what you are saying from a sporting/competition point of view.... He is effectively securing his current employees jobs for a number of years. A wise move with the way things are.

Thomas. PLease. said:
Button going to mclaren as well. Error. Imo he'll never be able to beat hamilton. Button is a great driver and all, as proved this season, but only really when the car is perfectly suited. Hamilton will drive the socks off the car no matter what. I think even if mclaren do have a decent car, and get their hands on a good engine, button will never do as well as he has done this season. Great shame. Was very much looking to see what brawn and button could do next season.
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Button is going to the seat where he will have a decent car, with equal footing and no excuses. He is proving he is racer at heart, and not "jouneyman" button.

Going to Mclaren will be career defining for Button, one way or another!
 
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Also, Mclaren are all about racing, and getting equal footing will be important to Button.
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They will certainly promise Button equal status, on paper. In reality, Button would arrive in a team which is based around Hamilton. This would make it almost impossible for him to finish ahead of Hamilton for 2 reasons:

1. Hamilton is settled in the team and knows the workings of the team. Psychologically, this is a massive advantage. Its similar to when you start a new job - your performance improves as you become more settled and know the workings of the team you are working in. The new guy will always be at a disadvantage, intially.

2. It is clear that Button requires the car to have perfect handling, just the way he likes it; when this is the case, he does very well. We saw this when he won 6 out of 7 races, with Barrichello unable to get anywhere near him. We then look at the 2nd half of the season, when the car wasnt perfectly to his liking and he was outscored by Barrichello. The same thing happened last year.

If McLaren don't produce a car perfectly in line with Button's driving style, he will struggle.

3. Button will have to go up against arguably the most talented driver F1 has seen in a very long time. I doubt anyone would be capable of out qualifying or out pacing Hamilton. Even if both drivers arrived at McLaren as newbies, Hamilton would most likely demolish Button, on outright pace. Obviously Hamilton will make more mistakes during the season, but this won't be enough for Button to catch Hamilton.

Malt_Vinegar said:
Racing against Lewis in the same car will be something that I think he will surely relish.
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No competitor likes to compete against another competitor who has an advantage (see 1 and 2, above). He won't relish being demolished.

Malt_Vinegar said:
Also, if the worst happens (from his point of view), and Lewis beats him, its no biggy! He just got beaten by another World Champion!
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That's one way to look at it.
 
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Whilst I see what you are saying from a sporting/competition point of view.... He is effectively securing his current employees jobs for a number of years. A wise move with the way things are.
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I understand that. But it just seems so wrong. He's selling out on his team name, and his very much faithful drivers, who were there through thick and thin with honda.
 
Thomas. PLease. said:
I understand that. But it just seems so wrong. He's selling out on his team name, and his very much faithful drivers, who were there through thick and thin with honda.
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Button would be squeezed out by Mercedes anyway, and Barichello is on borrowed time (?)

Button has the option and clout as WC to secure himself a quality drive and killer contract for a couple of years (no doubt with a big buyout built in if Mclaren decide to dump him for 2011)

His move make sense from a head and heart point of view. At least thats how I read it.
 
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Button would be squeezed out by Mercedes anyway, and Barichello is on borrowed time (?)

Button has the option and clout as WC to secure himself a quality drive and killer contract for a couple of years (no doubt with a big buyout built in if Mclaren decide to dump him for 2011)

His move make sense from a head and heart point of view. At least thats how I read it.
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I suppose. But it just seems like he is making the best of a bad situation. However, it will be great to see an all british line-up at mclaren. But I think he will be clearly outshone by hamilton. Especially if their car isn't that great.

Will they still get the mercedes engine?

Tempted to put a bet on rosberg for next season then.
 
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Well, if that does all go through, it'll be a shame to see BrawnGP broken up like that. I know the team underneath will be the same (At least, without the drivers) but it wont have the same feel to it.
 
Thomas. PLease. said:
Will they still get the mercedes engine?
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Yup, there will be a guarentee on supply of engines for a number of year, I think 3 or 4?

My comment about Barrichello was more of a case of do other people agree with me that Barrichello is on "borrowed time" His season on Brawn probably enabled him to secure one more drive, but Williams could be his last F1 slot..
 
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