Poll: Official 2023 Belgian Grand Prix Thread - Spa-Franchorchamps, Stavelot - Round 13

[Pigeon_Killer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685321823963992064

Seems pretty clear to me

Yeah, that looks a slam dunk from that angle.

 

[Stumble Bum]

A penalty is given irrespective of the outcome. That is how it has always been. We know you do not like Lewis.

Explain. How it isn't a penalty then? It's ok to just collide with drivers then?

 

[andy_mk3]

penalty seems to be for the aftermath rather than incident itself given it has ruined Perez's race

He ruined his own race, ruined his rear tyres and went off the track by all his own doing. He retired as it was pointless to go on from that point.

 

[IPBA]

Explain. How it isn't a penalty then? It's ok to just collide with drivers then?

I did not respond to you to debate if it was or was not a penalty. I responded to say you are wrong asking for a harsher penalty because Perez retired as result.

 

[KiNgPiN83]

He kind of squeezed Hamilton on to the inside kerb at which point the Hamilton loses traction. They've definitely taken in to account Perez's ruined race.

 

[Stumble Bum]

I did not respond to you to debate if it was or was not a penalty. I responded to say you are wrong asking for a harsher penalty because Perez retired as result.

I didn't ask for a harsher penalty. Don't make things up.

 

[PikeyPriest]

Penalty from that view. Hamilton didn’t leave enough space on the outside.

Edit - LH had space but was tight at the apex, as the corner opens he needed to keep to the inside line. Instead he has pushed towards the outside line and collided with Perez. No idea whether it was traction or steering though. You assume it would be steering for a penalty, but who knows with stewards decisions.

 

[IPBA]

He kind of squeezed Hamilton on to the inside kerb at which point the Hamilton loses traction. They've definitely taken in to account Perez's ruined race.

Well then the stewards are at their inconsistent best again because the outcome as per the rules should not factor in deciding if a drive is liable for a penalty.

 

[Freakbro]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685321823963992064

Seems pretty clear to me, Hamilton hits inside kerb, understeers and goes into his sidepod. An unfortunate racing incident in tough conditions but because it damaged Perez's car and race it seems a fairly normal penalty.

Yea, I initially thought it was harsh, but seeing that in slo-mo there was plenty of room for Hamilton, he under steered into the side of Perez.

Being a wet(ish) track is an explanation not an excuse.

 

[IPBA]

I didn't ask for a harsher penalty. Don't make things up.

This is what you typed

Only a 5 second penalty for taking someone out of the race is pretty lenient. He went into the side of Perez and had loaddds of space.

What do you mean by this statement then? Maybe my English is not very good but that reads a harsher penalty should have been given.

 

[Mr Jack]

I dunno, have you got your telly on?

What do you think was different before and after the SC?

 

[Tigget]

Replays show Hamilton lost control slightly and slid into Perez. It’s obviously on the harsher side but understandable why it’s been given.

 

[Kenai]

Racing incident for me, Perez squeezes Hamilton to the inside as he's entitled to do, Hamilton ends up with wheels on the kerb, looks to lose a bit of grip and this causes him to drift outwards and into Perez.

If you're ascribing blame and penalties to situations like that then you may as well give up on the idea such a thing as a 'racing incident' can happen in F1.

 

[KiNgPiN83]

Racing incident for me, Perez squeezes Hamilton to the inside as he's entitled to do, Hamilton ends up with wheels on the kerb, looks to lose a bit of grip and this causes him to drift outwards and into Perez.

If you're ascribing blame and penalties to situations like that then you may as well give up on the idea such a thing as a 'racing incident' can happen in F1.

I agree and the places he was dropping right and left were because of his shagged tires not the sidepod damage...

 

[Stumble Bum]

This is what you typed

What do you mean by this statement then?

It means that Hamilton can consider himself lucky that ruining someone's race only costs him 5 seconds. Especially as everyone was going crazy that he even dare be given a penalty at all.

It seems now that people have seen the replay they've come to realise that a penalty is indeed correct.

 

[Mesai]

He kind of squeezed Hamilton on to the inside kerb at which point the Hamilton loses traction. They've definitely taken in to account Perez's ruined race.

Perez was ahead so he had priority for the corner.

 

[AlphariusOmegan]

Well then the stewards are at their inconsistent best again because the outcome as per the rules should not factor in deciding if a drive is liable for a penalty.

have you read the rules? a 5s penalty is one of the standard options, its usually 5-10 depending on the severity of the incident. 5 is the lower end of the scale

 

[Mr Jack]

Fantastic from Piastri today. Hope he can repeat it tomorrow.

So close to a point for Riccardo too.

 

[Vertigo]

Been watching F1 since the 80s and can't remember any season where I was as bored and disinterested as this one.

 

[dansew123]

What do you think was different before and after the SC?

It did get him right up behind and resulted in a drag race to be honest. Was only a matter of time until he breezed past anyway