Poll: Official 2023 Canadian Grand Prix Thread - Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve, Montreal - Round 9

Rate the Canadian race out of ten

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Gave it a 5. Like others may well bin off Sky but still something good about watching it live.
At least further AM and Merc tussles should keep it of interest and so want Alonso to get a win.
 
Average race. Wasn't too terrible as there was a fair bit going on down the grid.

Looking at the podium, I guess the old saying applies "the cream rises to the top".

This track didn't seem to suit the Merc as well as Barcelona did. Hamilton did well, shame he couldn't keep 2nd.

Amazed that Ferrari actually got the strategy right.

Mighty race by Albon, and I thought Norris was impressive too.

Stroll and Perez simply not good enough and wasting those seats. Norris should be in one of them. Maybe Albon in the other.
 
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Wasn't there some talk of Lando possibly moving to Sauber (Audi) with Seidl being CEO of the team ready for the Audi takeover when this was announced a few months ago? I can see that working as Lando knows Seidl well and you can assume Audi will put a fair bit of dosh into their operation, to begin with at least and should shirley have decent technical equipment such as a wind tunnel and CFD?

I think realistically Lando needs to leave McLaren at the earliest possible opportunity. Lando needs to be in a car that can challenge for the odd win and I don't see McLaren managing that, even by accident like Monza a few years ago with Daniel Ricc. So either hop into RB should Perez leave or wait for a move to Sauber and be there when it becomes Audi?
 
Mesai said:
Probably what we need a smaller reg changes. Assuming at least Merc and AM catch RB in a year or two, not overhauling the regs would see more years of closer racing.

2026 reg changes seem to be an evolution instead of an overhaul so we might get some closer racing for longer.
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What you need is to get rid of the cost cap or have the cost cap as a sliding scale so the top teams cannot spend as much as the lower teams. At least then teams have a chance to catch up.

Last year's winner for example will be the bench mark of what the cost cap is so at least the smaller teams can compete. Then as you go further down the grid you give the option that other teams can spend more so if Ferrari make a dud at least they can spend their way out of it.

Remove the ban on testing as well but include it in the cost cap.
 
adam cool dude said:
What you need is to get rid of the cost cap or have the cost cap as a sliding scale so the top teams cannot spend as much as the lower teams. At least then teams have a chance to catch up.

Last year's winner for example will be the bench mark of what the cost cap is so at least the smaller teams can compete. Then as you go further down the grid you give the option that other teams can spend more so if Ferrari make a dud at least they can spend their way out of it.

Remove the ban on testing as well but include it in the cost cap.
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Like the windtunnel/CFD restriction? The higher a team finishes in the standings each year the less time/resources it can use?

I would like to see a return to testing too, perhaps like you say, with the lower teams getting more time. I also think that any track that is used for testing can't be on the calendar as a race track and vice-versa. It's annoying that teams go testing at Barcelona in pre-season and then race there. Nominate one or two tracks that are FIA safety approved and test there but don't race there. Jerez/Estoril/Portimao are all FIA grade 1 and in Europe.
 
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Mediocre modern F1 race. 4/10 from me.
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yeah - kind of agree - Slightly more watchable than recent races but when you see the leader on the 1st lap, his two pitstops and then 1 lap from the end as he finishes, you know it's a fairly standard boring race. Always under control.

Canada always ends up with a massive DRS train and no one can pass much...... Ferrari just boring 4th/5th place - literally never saw them the whole race. Most of the last 20 laps were watching Albon holding everyone up.

9 wins in a row from RB - Both Championships over already.... RB have double the next teams points in constructors and Max effectively has 3 full race lead already in the bag.

Just bored of F1 at the moment - watched for 30+ years.... It's very "clinical" at the moment - no real battles.
 
4/10 for me. I've barely followed the sport this season gone from not missing a single session for the last 20 years to not even being bothered to watching practice or live races.

Truth is I'm still a bit disillusioned with everything after 2021 and the cost-cap issues.

Red Bull have built a phenomenal car and have arguably the best driver in the sport at present in their car and I'm fine with domination even when it's not my preferred team doing it. I was content during the Vettel years... But something about this stint of RB Domination makes me not want to watch.
 
Alonso sounds so happy in all the press conferances now. I think he really likes being back up on the podium regularly, and having a car that is equal to (if not perhaps a bit faster), than the Mercs.

What is interesting about Red Bull is, is that if they had 2x Perez in that seat, would they be getting beaten by Hamilton and/or Alonso every week (or at the very least some weeks). I have a feeling they might well be....

Someone posted something interesting on Reddit too:
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"Watching Stroll and Perez this season really makes me wonder if we ever got to see the true potential of the 2020 Racing Point car" Would that car have been closer to being a championship or 2nd place contender with a world class driver in it?
 
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MarcLister said:
Like the windtunnel/CFD restriction? The higher a team finishes in the standings each year the less time/resources it can use?

I would like to see a return to testing too, perhaps like you say, with the lower teams getting more time. I also think that any track that is used for testing can't be on the calendar as a race track and vice-versa. It's annoying that teams go testing at Barcelona in pre-season and then race there. Nominate one or two tracks that are FIA safety approved and test there but don't race there. Jerez/Estoril/Portimao are all FIA grade 1 and in Europe.
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It would be a massive revenue stream for them as well. I am sure plenty of these smaller tracks would benefit from that as well.

I would quite happily go to Donny for a day out to watch the F1 teams test.
 
adam cool dude said:
It would be a massive revenue stream for them as well. I am sure plenty of these smaller tracks would benefit from that as well.

I would quite happily go to Donny for a day out to watch the F1 teams test.
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Yeah it would be good for the non-calendar tracks to get a bit of income and charge fans a small fee to attend. Is Donington grade 1 now? Thought the only UK grade 1 track was Silverstone.
 
Jono8 said:
Someone posted something interesting on Reddit too:
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"Watching Stroll and Perez this season really makes me wonder if we ever got to see the true potential of the 2020 Racing Point car" Would that car have been closer to being a championship or 2nd place contender with a world class driver in it?
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That car was literally a copy of the 2019 Mercedes yet seemed so much slower. I think we have our answer why that was now. Nico Hulkenberg substituted for Perez at Silverstone when he was out with COVID and put it on 3rd after never driving it before.
 
Jono8 said:
"Watching Stroll and Perez this season really makes me wonder if we ever got to see the true potential of the 2020 Racing Point car" Would that car have been closer to being a championship or 2nd place contender with a world class driver in it?
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Closer? Probably. But Bottas got 2nd place with the car that so I think the Mercedes just had a massive advantage that year. Things may well have been close between Max and the lead Racing Point driver though.

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That car was literally a copy of the 2019 Mercedes yet seemed so much slower.
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It wasn't literally a copy. They had taken all the parts they could from, and based their overall design on, the Mercedes but there were many differences.
 
Gave it a 7.

Albon was the highlight really. Shame for Russell although he had us thinking he was alright for a little while, climbing up into the points quickly before having to retire.

I really don't rate Perez. How can he be so far down in a car that can easily be 30 seconds ahead of the pack? Top that off with him getting fastest lap. I'm new to F1 this season but does this (and previous wins so far) not show he's capable but gets in his own head or becomes too submissive once he's racing in a group of cars?

I'd like to see Danny Ric take a go - can they swap 2nd and 3rd driver mid-season?
 
ci_newman said:
At least under Merc, Hamilton was kept on his toes by his team mate and it actually made for some racing drama
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Nico yes, Valtteri not so much. Didn't Valtteri finish 2nd in the drivers championship only once in his 4 or 5 years at Merc? Unfortunately for us Checo is more like Valtteri. Capable of having great race from time to time but seems to lack consistency.

Not voting this time as I missed most of the race last night and watching highlights on youtube it looked boring.
 
Jono8 said:
Someone posted something interesting on Reddit too:
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"Watching Stroll and Perez this season really makes me wonder if we ever got to see the true potential of the 2020 Racing Point car" Would that car have been closer to being a championship or 2nd place contender with a world class driver in it?
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This is pretty obvious. The fact Alonso is basically 42 and is still top 3 driver out of all those on the grid says enough. Only Hammy and Verstappen are his equal.

It was the same in Btcc with Neal and Plato leading the pack in their 50's.

The entry point into Motorsport is so ridiculous now that the talent pool is just terrible really.

The current Ferrari lineup is the weakest it has been since the 70's. With proper drivers last season might have been a little more entertaining at least.
 
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adam cool dude said:
The current Ferrari lineup is the weakest it has been since the 70's. With proper drivers last season might have been a little more entertaining at least.
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You don't rate Leclerc? I think he is pretty good and has the potential to be champion. He does seem a bit mistake prone though i admit. Sainz i don't think has the raw pace when it matters so would agree there.
 
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It does make me wonder what Perez & Stroll do wrong, that they can't seem to make the car fly like their team mates?

Or is it quite simply a case they just can't tell where the limits of the car is as well as them ?
 
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