Poll: Official 2023 Monaco Grand Prix Race Thread - Circuit de Monaco, Monte Carlo- Round 7
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100%, but also to be clear, I did want Alonso to win, I’m just a realist (after so many years of suffering as a Ferrari supporter).
Caporegime
No, it's assuming that RB did what they did. They'd have come in at exactly the same time as they did, and Alonso would have been as fast or faster on his inters as he was on his one lap on mediums.
Had Alonso not gone onto the mediums, he would have been ahead after his pit stop. Verstappen lost that much time staying out too long on the slicks.
edit: Found a nice video demonstrating it, by comparing Tsunoda (who was just ahead of Alonso on track) to Max's last slick lap
And, in fact, when Alonso got onto those inters he was 3s/lap faster than Tsunoda so he'd have been comfortably ahead of Max.
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Soldato
Alonso has clearly stated he would not have beaten Max and Max was able to pull, out a 27 sec lead which Alonso couldn't stay with. You cannot change the result based purely on hindsight as there is no clues as to how other teams would have reacted.
The decisions were made based upon what they all knew at that particular moment in time. We, obviously, know different because we only have hindsight to go on..
The decisions were made based upon what they all knew at that particular moment in time. We, obviously, know different because we only have hindsight to go on..
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Russell waited to do his first pit straight onto the inters. So did others I believe. Not sure why Alonso rushed the decision and wasted a whole pit stops worth of time.
Soldato
He didn't pull out a 27 sec lead, he increased his lead by a few seconds, not 27. Alonso would have had track position. Same tyre, difficult conditions, small amount of laps to go, i'd have backed track position to take the win.
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Soldato
Because Alonso thought, at that time, the track conditions were ok for slick tyres. As it turned out, due to the rain increasing which wasn't predicted, that is seen to be incorrect now..
Decision made in the heat of the moment based upon what he knew..
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Soldato
I knew it was going to pour down. Seeing Lando pit for a set of hards guaranteed it.
Which was the wrong decision.
The others got it correct by waiting a fewore laps to see if the rain developed which it did.
My point is that making the decision based on the track conditions at that time was wrong. It seemed incredibly risky to pit for slicks as rain was developing.
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Soldato
Obviously we know that now, for Alonso, at that time and given the information he had to deal with, it was right, that's the way it goes. Who knows, his tyres may not have lasted those 'few more laps' and if the conditions had gone the way his team had predicted then it would have been an inspired choice. It's always going to be a lottery and a roll of a dice.
But we're not the ones sitting in the car anyway...
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That video shows Tsunoda's POV, he was more than 3 seconds in front of Alonso. It's tight, I admit, but also factor in that AM hard the slicks ready, they would have had to go and get the inters out. Max was also being incredibly cautious as they had the benefit of knowing AM were putting on slicks. There would be several seconds in the bag for him to use if required, as there was zero threat from behind he could tip toe around with plenty of time spare.
Caporegime
They could have got inters out in the first place, plenty of other drivers had already made the switch.
Max was being incredibly cautious because RB left it too late and he was struggling to stay on track. He tagged the wall as it was. Don't think he had pace to spare.
Soldato
Unfortunately calls for wet tyres, or Intermediates, are often left to the driver as the teams feel they have more knowledge of the track conditions. It doesn't matter how much this argument rattles on as we don't know what would have happened if Alonso had made a call for the Intermediates instead.
It is just a work of fiction and if you want facts then Alonso has stated them for himself.
Tsunoda also was easily past by both Norris and Piastri, despite them being over 23 seconds behind him, so it isn't beyond belief that Max would have overtaken Alonso as Max was far faster than Alonso was on the same tyres.
It is just a work of fiction and if you want facts then Alonso has stated them for himself.
Tsunoda also was easily past by both Norris and Piastri, despite them being over 23 seconds behind him, so it isn't beyond belief that Max would have overtaken Alonso as Max was far faster than Alonso was on the same tyres.
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Caporegime
Alonso was 3s/lap faster during the wettest part of the race. No way Max had the pace to catch and pass him.
Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda.
It was a bad call, made quickly to be sure, but a bad call none the less. Fortunately, it only cost one place, let's hope Aston and Alonso get another crack at a win before long.
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Watched highlights and did seem a clumsy race
Kudos for Ocon for scoring a podium
He’ll probably crash out at turn one at Spain…
Kudos for Ocon for scoring a podium
He’ll probably crash out at turn one at Spain…
Soldato
In hindsight, yes, armchair fans seem to think though that drivers possess the ability to see into the future. But there we go, shoulda, coulda and woulda.
Commissario
There were 22 on track overtakes at Monaco this year, not including any moves on the first lap, that's the most since 2011.
He’s got potential.
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