Ones a penalty.
One was asking for a grid change post race without any penalty to be applied to either race affected.
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One was asking for a grid change post race without any penalty to be applied to either race affected.
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Not on recent performances. However I suspect he'd be a perfect replacement for Perez. Being 0.2/0.3 behind Lando was the difference between P9 and P17. Being 0.2/0.3 behind Max is P2, and no dramas.
Still nothing compared to having technical drawings/workings of another teams car.
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Dull race, only real thoughts are what's happened to McLaren and, what the actual was Sky's thinking having Nico as a pundit - rather have PDR back.
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"Still nothing compared to having technical drawings/workings of another teams car."
Or running illegal steering systems, third brake pedals etc.
All teams will push the boundaries and they will continue to do so....
Or running illegal steering systems, third brake pedals etc.
All teams will push the boundaries and they will continue to do so....
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The way the car drives will also be a factor. That McLaren seems terrible but Lando has grown-up with it, whereas look at Ric in Renault and RB.
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Who ran an illegal steering system?
You can't really argue against Red Bull pushing the limits as all teams do it and most things people moan about were never deemed illegal even if they were questionable. This applies to most teams though as it's quite rare for new parts to actually be deemed illegal.
We can't mention them but Red Bull and people within the team picked up their nicknames for a reason and that's what rubs me, and I think others, the wrong way. Their holier than thou yet they're one of the top teams for pushing limits.
You can't really argue against Red Bull pushing the limits as all teams do it and most things people moan about were never deemed illegal even if they were questionable. This applies to most teams though as it's quite rare for new parts to actually be deemed illegal.
We can't mention them but Red Bull and people within the team picked up their nicknames for a reason and that's what rubs me, and I think others, the wrong way. Their holier than thou yet they're one of the top teams for pushing limits.
I mean the same thing happens in football - some dude fakes that he was tackled too hard to force a penalty.
Every team will be looking for the advantage, while preserving their brand presence.
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I'm assuming @cuke2u is referring to DAS although it was never ran illegally unless Mercedes ran it in (races in) '21 and i don't think there was any evidence that suggested they did other Mercedes continuing R&D on it
Edit - Saying that, i think there was rear-wheel steering in the early 90s but that got banned pre-season iirc. Could be wrong but McLaren's third pedal is the only illegal steering system i can think of that entered races.
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Banned: F1's novel steering solutions
Steering is an area of the car where engineers have tried to probe the limits, with various solutions having been tried - and many of these subsequently getting banned. Here we take a look at some of the most famous examples
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Banned: F1's novel steering solutions
Steering is an area of the car where engineers have tried to probe the limits, with various solutions having been tried - and many of these subsequently getting banned. Here we take a look at some of the most famous examples
Those weren't illegal; they were banned. That's very different.
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Crashgate, hidden fuel tanks, water cooled brakes. The list goes on..
The biggest incidents of F1 cheating: Spygate, Crashgate and more
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Oh, yeah, there's been plenty of examples over the years. Bending the rules until they snap has long been part of the sport.
Crashgate, hidden fuel tanks, water cooled brakes. The list goes on..
The biggest incidents of F1 cheating: Spygate, Crashgate and more
And the punishments are usually very serious. Not a slap on the wrist like some more recent transgressions..
Who got a slap on the wrist? I know RB had a decent development cut, which was fair relative to the overspend.
Ferrari was a slap on the wrist for the engine thing.
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Both and the punishment isn't supposed to be fair it's supposed to stop others trying it on as well as ensure there's no question the team got an unfair advantage from the rule breaking
A punishment should be fair in how it offsets the breach, which it was.
If your wing is 1mm wider than specified does getting disqualified offset the rule breach when it's highly likely the 1mm provided 0 performance benefit?
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