Official 2024 Belgian Grand Prix Race Thread - Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps - Race 14/24

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Definitely possible. Weird because it’s been one of the best for the past 2 years but maybe it is just tactical.

Strange that RB have taken 6 exhaust systems. Wonder whether that’s wear and tear or something else.

Similar happened with Merc in 21. They had the best engines for years and then in 21 used more engines than any other team on the grid. irrc Bottas took 3 new engines in a space of like 4 or 5 races.
 
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Where on earth does that come from?
I guess if Lando loses the title to Max by 7 points?

As Lando said himself though, he lost the race at turn 1 - so it's not about McLaren gifting the win to Piastri.

Definitely looking forward to Spa though, isn't this one of Piastri's better tracks too?
 
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I guess if Lando loses the title to Max by 7 points?

As Lando said himself though, he lost the race at turn 1 - so it's not about McLaren gifting the win to Piastri.

Definitely looking forward to Spa though, isn't this one of Piastri's better tracks too?

Pretty hard to tell what Piastri's better tracks when he's only on season 2! He was 2nd in the sprint last year but didn't even last the first lap of the Grand Prix.
 
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Spa is a bit hit or miss, sometimes it can be a little dull, especially with DRS, but with the variability of the weather it is often quite a good race, hopefully more of the same this weekend.

It’s more miss than hit imo which is sad because it’s a near perfect track.

The most memorable moments in recent history have come during qualifying with changeable conditions.

Hopefully we get some changeable conditions in the actual race this year.
 
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Similar happened with Merc in 21. They had the best engines for years and then in 21 used more engines than any other team on the grid. irrc Bottas took 3 new engines in a space of like 4 or 5 races.
It’s probably tactical although I doubt Max will overtake 10+ cars in 18 laps again given how others have caught up.
 
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Neither McLaren driver had the pace to overtake the other. Teams said you needed a 1-1.5sec delta to make the overtake possible, and even with Lando pulling ahead in the final stint, he still wouldn't have had enough pace to overtake Oscar.

Lando wouldn't have won without McLaren's help, and McLaren thought that the pit order was the best way to cover Lewis. Put the tinfoil back in the cupboard.
If they were in different teams then he would've been allowed to undercut, which as we saw would've easily won him the race. If Piastri had pitted early to cover the undercut, then Norris could've gone longer to create a large enough tyre offset to overtake at the end. Hard to see how Piastri would've won if they were allowed to race with the pace deficit in the final stint.

Where on earth does that come from?
It was foolish to gift Piastri the win when Norris is still in with a chance of winning the drivers championship. All it takes is a couple of Max DNF's and he'd be right with him, which is made more likely if he has engine penalties.
 
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If they were in different teams then he would've been allowed to undercut, which as we saw would've easily won him the race. If Piastri had pitted early to cover the undercut, then Norris could've gone longer to create a large enough tyre offset to overtake at the end. Hard to see how Piastri would've won if they were allowed to race with the pace deficit in the final stint.


It was foolish to gift Piastri the win when Norris is still in with a chance of winning the drivers championship. All it takes is a couple of Max DNF's and he'd be right with him, which is made more likely if he has engine penalties.
Well not really because we know nothing, it is all a speculative 'what if'. I prefer to deal with the here and now and this weekend's race anyway.
If Mclaren had changed their minds from the agreement they had, that is the team and the drivers, before the race, then that would have been very poor. As they stated they are a team that works together, not make it up in the middle of the races such as Ferrari do. Personally I feel Mclaren should be applauded.
 
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...Hard to see how Piastri would've won if they were allowed to race with the pace deficit in the final stint.

Put simply - as this has been said multiple times in the other thread - the pace deficit was not a true reflection of a pace difference between them at that stage. Oscar had been told Lando would move by and was bringing his mediums in more gently. Why would be push and take risks if he had been told he'd be let through anyway. Lando was going all out to try to make it more difficult for the team to decide.
Perhaps focus more on the first stint where Piastri beat him off the line, controlled the race, and built a 3 second lead.
 
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