Poll: Official 2024 Belgian Grand Prix Race Thread - Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps - Race 14/24

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Eddie99 said:
The team ordered them not to race after the mid 40's which effectively gifted Piastri the win. If Piastri wasn't his team mate then Norris would've been allowed to undercut him or go long, and with the pace he showed in the final stint he likely would've won. Piastri is a good driver but he's just not on the same level as Norris yet.
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Piastri was ahead because he was faster than Norris right up to the last stint. Norris was only ahead because McLaren gave it to him rather than look after Piastri's race. Norris was apparently faster in the last stint but then Piastri was obeying team instructions to nurse the tyres and Norris was ignoring them so I think it foolish to read anything into that.

If Norris won that really would have been gifted.

And the WDC is over. Norris is not going to get close to Max.
 
Mr Jack said:
And the WDC is over. Norris is not going to get close to Max.
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Not sure why people make statements like this.

The gap is not that big, McLaren clearly have the best car now. There are still 11 races to go plus 3 sprint races. Max is taking a 10-place grid penalty this weekend. And Lando could have been given another 7 points. There are a lot of teams capable of taking points off Max as well.

How is the WDC over?

Max I'm sure is still a nice favourite but to say Norris is not even going to get close seems naive.
 
Stumble Bum said:
The gap is not that big, McLaren clearly have the best car now. There are still 11 races to go plus 3 sprint races. Max is taking a 10-place grid penalty this weekend. And Lando could have been given another 7 points. There are a lot of teams capable of taking points off Max as well.
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Over the last six races, where McLaren have looked like they have the better car more often than not, Max has increased his lead over Norris (and, no, those seven points don't change that). The best car varies race to race, with Merc - and even Ferrari occasionally - being able to beat McLaren as well as Max. Norris and McLaren simply don't have the consistency to mount a challenge sufficient to close the gap that Max has built up.

Norris isn't going to get close to Max, the seven points don't change that. The fight for the WCC, however, is on (because Pérez) and for that McLaren need team unity more than they Norris to scrap out extra points.
 
You could argue now that Redbull have to run the car full tilt and behind other cars it could stress it more and risk reliability. Along with Max's approach to stress and competition it could get interesting, of course, Max is a favourite - certainly not over though!
 
Mr Jack said:
Piastri was ahead because he was faster than Norris right up to the last stint. Norris was only ahead because McLaren gave it to him rather than look after Piastri's race. Norris was apparently faster in the last stint but then Piastri was obeying team instructions to nurse the tyres and Norris was ignoring them so I think it foolish to read anything into that.

If Norris won that really would have been gifted.

And the WDC is over. Norris is not going to get close to Max.
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doesnt matter if its over or not, its not the borefest we used to have before Im just looking at the races and Norris is close to Max and now we are getting much more exciting races
 
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Looks like this year is turning in to 2009 again. 1 team races off in to an early lead but gets out-developed and the second half of a season becomes a lot tighter. Red Bull almost pulled back a ~50% deficit halfway through that season, so McLaren only being 51pts back is certainly not out of the realms of possibilities.
 
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Mr Jack said:
Piastri was ahead because he was faster than Norris right up to the last stint. Norris was only ahead because McLaren gave it to him rather than look after Piastri's race. Norris was apparently faster in the last stint but then Piastri was obeying team instructions to nurse the tyres and Norris was ignoring them so I think it foolish to read anything into that.

If Norris won that really would have been gifted.

And the WDC is over. Norris is not going to get close to Max.
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The WDC is not over.

If McLaren maintain this level and can get lots of 1,2s with Max only finishing third, Norris could easily end up winning it.

I honestly think they could end up seriously regretting what they did last Sunday.

If it were RB and Max and they were in a similar position championship wise, there is no way in hell they would have swapped them over.
 
uscool said:
doesnt matter if its over or not, its not the borefest we used to have before Im just looking at the races and Norris is close to Max and now we are getting much more exciting races
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That's certainly my view. We have some great races lately, long may it continue.

Jono8 said:
If McLaren maintain this level and can get lots of 1,2s with Max only finishing third, Norris could easily end up winning it.
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If the team with one 1,2 in the last 14 seasons and two drivers who have two wins between them get lots of 1,2s? Yeah, I won't be holding my breath. McLaren's resurgence is great for the sport but there is really no indication of them having suddenly flipped to being a totally dominant team. I expect them to get a few wins in the coming races, maybe even the most of any team, but there is zero indication of them bringing the kind of domination needed for Norris to win.

Anyway, I think we discussed this enough in the last thread, so I'm going to leave it there. Hopefully the rest of the season will prove me wrong :)

If it were RB and Max and they were in a similar position championship wise, there is no way in hell they would have swapped them over.
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Max would have refused the team order. He wouldn't even help Pérez out when he it made zero difference to his championship. But RB are a 100% Max team, and McLaren aren't a 100% Norris team, and probably going to have Oscar as their clearly better driver pretty soon. Their problems managing the team are quite different to Red Bulls.
 
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That onboard from Perez, I really hope this isn’t the new direction they want to go for onboard footage. Tilting the camera into corners… :rolleyes:
Not happy enough with F1 speeds at this great track, they have to add a gimmick. Make it look like we’re in a plane.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
That onboard from Perez, I really hope this isn’t the new direction they want to go for onboard footage. Tilting the camera into corners… :rolleyes:
Not happy enough with F1 speeds at this great track, they have to add a gimmick. Make it look like we’re in a plane.
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That onboard camera mount has been there for a while now on different cars..
 
Mr Jack said:
Piastri was ahead because he was faster than Norris right up to the last stint. Norris was only ahead because McLaren gave it to him rather than look after Piastri's race. Norris was apparently faster in the last stint but then Piastri was obeying team instructions to nurse the tyres and Norris was ignoring them so I think it foolish to read anything into that.

If Norris won that really would have been gifted.

And the WDC is over. Norris is not going to get close to Max.
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Both drivers were managing their tyres to get to the end of the race, this idea that Piastri was managing tyres and Norris was going flat out is nonsense. Norris's engineer asking him to manage the tyres more was code for slow down and let Piastri past. Piastri himself said that he didn't have the pace in the final stint and it was something he needed to work on. The WDC is far from over and personally I'd love it if Norris lost out by less than 7 points after gifting Piastri the win.
 
It's all to play for really. Max gets completely flustered when he's not out in front now as we've seen. With his err... "style" shall we say, he is highly likely to have more incidents when mid pack and pick up more DNFs or finishes far down the order. And where is he starting Sunday... At best it will be 11th! Juicy.
 
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jaybee said:
It's all to play for really. Max gets completely flustered when he's not out in front now as we've seen. With his err... "style" shall we say, he is highly likely to have more incidents when mid pack and pick up more DNFs or finishes far down the order. And where is he starting Sunday... At best it will be 11th! Juicy.
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I disagree Max has sometimes showed a lot of maturity when he's started down the grid. It just depends upon which Max turns up and if he's enjoying his car.
Whoever we get it could still be entertaining.
 
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Yuki gets a 60 place grid penalty.
The following Power Unit elements have been used:
5th Internal Combustion Engine (ICE)
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5th Motor Generator Unit - Kinetic (MGU-K)
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Cars 1, 3 and 11 have apparently had pit lane speeding documents recalled so either incorrectly issued speeding infringements or they were appealed against and were successful.
 
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