Its not.
Because its already bad at a given setting so knowing if it can get worse becomes irrelevant as people are not going to even be playing at the previous setting anyway unless there is another purpose in doing so besides the frame rate.
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Its not.
Because its already bad at a given setting so knowing if it can get worse becomes irrelevant as people are not going to even be playing at the previous setting anyway unless there is another purpose in doing so besides the frame rate.
My GTX470 does 607->775 on stock volts which is hardly insignificant and 800MHz with only a small voltage adjustment. Taps out just above 850 with 1.087 (up from 0.975) which is probably still within safe voltage but I've not liked to push it further yet.
Your making a point that they should show higher AA levels & im saying that there is none but your still pushing that point even though practically no one will be playing those games that were benched at those AA levels.
The only point would be to point out the difference of the cards in a insignificant situation.
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I read that 3 times and I still don't know what your trying to say there :S
they could have dropped the price of the 5870 to £200 and the 5850 to £150 then bought the big guns in ( 6950 , 6970 , 6990 ) next month . they would have shifted a bucket load and everybody would have been praising amd . but i guess its not that simple .
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That is a very nice price, no price gouging going on there.
Its an interesting situation I think its backfired a bit imo - £200 6870 thats trading blows with a (now) ~£187 GTX470 doesn't really do wonders PR wise.
EDIT I see the Sapphire is now £176 hmm - tho that is a pre-order price on very limited stock and may not last.
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I'm talking about the games in the review in that link & in those games there is no point in pushing more because its already bad.
In other words they are trying to show maximum playable levels in thoes games & just because there are some other games that are playable at 32xAA that does not mean that all games should be benched to 32xAA.
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Roff in guru3d the 6870 beat 470 in every single test bar far cry 2.
(crisys metro etc....)
and 6870 aint £200. It is a OCUK but that price is a bit high.
Its RRP with VAT is supposed to be £180.
470 RRP is £185
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Antilles is two Cayman chips not two Barts chips. This is confirmed in the Guru3D review and in AMD official slides. Likely to be under volted 2 x 6950s if you ask me, so we are looking at greater than Xfire 6870 performance. Now that is going to be impressive
Well not true.
People that KNOW about gfx cards know what this card is.
AMD could have named it x1800 for all i care. This card fits in great medium/high range for a quite cheap price £175.
On the other hand you got people that dont know much at all and 6870 or 6830 wont make slightest difference.
Its the people in the middle that get confused.
With most of the tests its as close as within margin of error and I've seen a couple of other reviews where it goes either way. Few cases the 6870 pulls ahead a few the GTX470 but overall they are within ~3% of each other.
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From the evidence so far, is it possible to tell if the tessellation unit is exactly the same in these 6850 and 6870 GPU's as the previous generation? Same performance?
Even though it isn't that important outside of benchmarking of course. I kind expected an extra unit to be added!
Even though it isn't that important outside of benchmarking of course. I kind expected an extra unit to be added!
No matter how you paint it bro the 6870 beat 470 handily in every benchmark bar 1 with PRE-RELEASE DRIVERS.
Granted overclocking benchmark would probably mix thing about a bit. But not by much.
at the beginning of this thread a lot of people were comparing the new cards to the 5870 and 5850 which isn't right so at least partly true . also you have people that think the bigger the number i.e 6830 > 6870 is better . its not always true but in this case .
Of the cases where it beats it except for 1-2 cases mostly it beats it by less than 4%, granted pre-release drivers - and thats only from a small number of benchmarks so far. If you look at other sources than guru3d you see similiar cases where the GTX470 is marginally ahead.
Don't under-estimate the GTX470 OCing potential either.
Don't under-estimate the GTX470 OCing potential either.