Cool, well dx11 performance is grand on the betas so I'm happy for now. I did notice much higher cpu usage on dx11 however, so once we see some improvements from bioware and a slightly more mature driver then I think it will be interesting to compare mantle and dx11
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***Official AMD Mantle Thread***
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Caporegime
Yes I'd expect more to come from Mantle in this one. Johan, Dice and Bioware will be hard at work I'm sure.
Caporegime
Tbh I've seen that sort of minimum fps before in fraps benchmarks, server lag in my case as I'm on a very poor adsl connection. But I'm very surprised that you find bf4 unplayable under DX? I played it for a long time on one 780 which coped grand at 1920x1200 on max settings. Probably a bit different though on 2560x1080 as I think you moved to it not long ago. Its a res I can pick with dsr as my current monitor is 16:10, will give it a try later.I also did a single player run on max settings a while ago:
max settings except no AA (IIRC I had 150% res. scale though) at 2560x1080 on my rig as specced in sig, single player:
That minimum FPS figure for mantle is wrong though, I never seen the FPS hit that low during that run, not sure why it reports the wrong minimum FPS figureDX
Mantle
But yeah as you can see, DX isn't playable at all on my 290 and i5 750 with max settings.
Caporegime
I think Nexus problem is his cpu, which is basically an old dual core cpu with Hyper threading. However Mantle can give it such a performance uplift it can perform similarly to a current i7 cpu.
Caporegime
yep, very possible mate. I'm sure you remember my sli woes with the 3570k in bf3, which is no slouch of a cpu tbh. But it had to go, hence ill always go i7. Pity though it took so long and a lot of cpu's, (aka loot) to get a decent one. I reckon I've spent about £1000.00 on cpu's in the last two years. Think of all the beer that would have bought.
With the setup in sig, in bf4 if I disable ht the game transforms into an absolute mess despite a pretty decent 4.7ghz oc, same with crysis 3.
Well for me anything below 55FPS is unplayable
But even when the FPS are higher than that, dx still feels very stuttery, this is pretty much what it looks like for me:
Pretty sure that my CPU is true quad core
But yes, the CPU is very old now and is certainly bottlenecking my 290 in a few games, I could probably get it overclocked to 4GHz quite easily bit but I would need a better CPU heatsink first.
Will probably look at upgrading it next year anyway, it will all come down to how well GTA 5 runs.....
Caporegime
If I get time ill try one of my 780's in my old i7 930 setup, iirc it came out around the same time as the 750, wont try sli in that system though as its a fire hazard lol. Id like to borrow my mates 290 to test in both my systems, but he wont let me. He knows I like to oc and is worried I might break it. But it would be nice to have an extended play of bf4 under mantle, its a game I enjoy a lot despite its niggles.
Soldato
Pretty sure that my CPU is true quad core
Indeed it is. I believe the original i5s did have number of dual cores with hyperthreading, but the 750 and 760 were both quad cores with no hyperthreading. Then the i7 860 and 870 (and 875?) were quad cores with hyperthreading.
That's just the AMD in him trying to belittle Intel products
Next he'll be telling us that the FX-8350 is a true 8-core chip too! (jk)
Soldato
Off topic, I know, but the i5 750 is actually a true 4 core CPU without hyperthreading (assuming his sig is up to date and I haven't missed a post saying he's running an i3). It doesn't make any difference to your statement about Mantle giving his performance a boost, just the pedant in me had to point that out.
EDIT - took a call while typing that, and other people have beaten me to it. Oops!
Caporegime
Off topic, I know, but the i5 750 is actually a true 4 core CPU without hyperthreading (assuming his sig is up to date and I haven't missed a post saying he's running an i3). It doesn't make any difference to your statement about Mantle giving his performance a boost, just the pedant in me had to point that out.
EDIT - took a call while typing that, and other people have beaten me to it. Oops!
Correct, after looking i must be getting it confused with a different model.
Caporegime
Well for me anything below 55FPS is unplayable
But even when the FPS are higher than that, dx still feels very stuttery, this is pretty much what it looks like for me:
Pretty sure that my CPU is true quad core
But yes, the CPU is very old now and is certainly bottlenecking my 290 in a few games, I could probably get it overclocked to 4GHz quite easily bit but I would need a better CPU heatsink first.
Will probably look at upgrading it next year anyway, it will all come down to how well GTA 5 runs.....
Thats my DX vs Mantle run
, keep in mind that i used Mirillis Action to record that which means there is a significant drop off in performance. Mantle is also running in Boarderless mode which doesn't help.When not recording...
DX: i get Minimum High 50's, Maximum about 110, Mantle: Minimum about 90, Maximum about 160.
Ultra IQ with 2x MSAA, No post AA, No motion Blur. 100% Res Scale.
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Caporegime
Create a text file and type PerfOverlay.DrawFps 1 in it, save it as user.cfg and drop it in your BF4 directory.
Yeah, i7 930 is in the same time frame as the i5 750. IIRC the i5 750 actually performed better in games compared to the i7 920, at least single cards and when both were at stock clocks.
Must say, I still find the i5 750 to be a fantastic chip and find it hard justifying the upgrade to the current top end i5 cpu's, there are only a few games where I feel really held back by the 750 chip, although I think GTA 5 is going to require quite a beefy CPU....
Indeed it is. I believe the original i5s did have number of dual cores with hyperthreading, but the 750 and 760 were both quad cores with no hyperthreading. Then the i7 860 and 870 (and 875?) were quad cores with hyperthreading.
That's just the AMD in him trying to belittle Intel products
Next he'll be telling us that the FX-8350 is a true 8-core chip too! (jk)
Yup, there were a few dual core i5's with hyper threading as well and then the i7 860, I was considering that i7 cpu but there wasn't really much difference/benefit for myself as I only game on my PC, no encoding etc. + I never intend on having more than 1 GPU.
Thats my DX vs Mantle run
When not recording...
DX: i get Minimum High 50's, Maximum about 110, Mantle: Minimum about 90, Maximum about 160.
Ultra IQ with 2x MSAA, No post AA, No motion Blur. 100% Res Scale.
I knew it was someone's video from here, couldn't remember who though
You get a good performance boost as well then, nice!
Mantle recording/streaming/fps osd tools arriving with the Omega Cat update via Raptr.
http://www.techspot.com/news/59074-amd-unveils-major-gpu-driver-update-catalyst-omega.html
http://www.techspot.com/news/59074-amd-unveils-major-gpu-driver-update-catalyst-omega.html
Soldato
Mantle recording/streaming/fps osd tools arriving with the Omega Cat update via Raptr.
http://www.techspot.com/news/59074-amd-unveils-major-gpu-driver-update-catalyst-omega.html
Sweet, I know couple guys really looking forward to recording with Mantle..
AMD ftw!
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Caporegime
Playing around in with Quad 290X using Mantle in Plants Vs Zombies at 4K, Ultra preset +x4 AA. No console for ingame screenshots so excuse the poor quality picture.
Caporegime
Playing around in with Quad 290X using Mantle in Plants Vs Zombies at 4K, Ultra preset +x4 AA. No console for ingame screenshots so excuse the poor quality picture.
lol @ 248 FPS. nuts....