*****Official Deus Ex 3: Human Revolution discussion thread*****

[Phinor]

Most big releases are doing this now. Unless you think Witcher 2 and LA Noire will be crap as well?

It's a bit different with Deus Ex though. Only certain people will get the bonus mission as it's exclusive to specific shops and game editions. A bit like Warden's Keep with Dragon Age: Origins. That is, complete bull****. At least they should have the decency to offer every pre-order customer the same in-game content.

edit: Now that I think about it, LA Noire actually has shop specific bonus mission too. Don't tell me Witcher 2 has one too?

 

[Shamikebab]

Yep, otherwise I wouldn't have said it

 

[Evilsod]

Wheres it say that?

 

[Shamikebab]

Wheres it say that?

link

 

[bhavv]

link

Talk about having his prices completely wrong, being corrected by Krugga on this forum, and still purposely listing the wrong prices.

Clown.

 

[Tefal]

Most big releases are doing this now. Unless you think Witcher 2 and LA Noire will be crap as well?

yep, i'm gonna bet those will be a let down for those looking forward to them.


looking at the W2 ones.

Anyone pre-ordering either edition of the CD Projekt-developed RPG sequel will also get another batch of free DLC, depending on which retailer you pick.

GameStop and thehut.com offer the Finisher Pack, containing additional finishing move animations and additional advanced fighting techniques.

GAME has Mysterious Merchant, which allows you to purchase unique items from a “shady tradesperson”.

HMV boasts the Ultimate Alchemy Suit, offering unique items, increases the loot output and extends the duration of potions.

Amazon offers the Ultimate Swordsman Suit which contains a set of unique items, boosts sword fighting stats and increases the chance for triggering rare effects in combat.

Finally, Play.com has the Ultimate Magical Suit. This contains a unique set of items, enhances the new sixth magical sign and boosts the effectiveness of all other signs.

So based on those bonuses are they going to be game breaking or necessary i wonder.

LA Noire will be crap as well?

meh console game.

 

[krooton]

From what I read, the alchemist/magic/swordsman suits can all be attained in the game, the pre-order bonus just gives it to you from the start.

 

[FutileBreadMachine]

Pre-order bonuses help and are requested by retailers, they have nothing to do with the developer. The point is that retailers want a way to differentiate themselves from the competition and gain loyalty by offering exclusive content. It's the same as offering vouchers or BOGOF on shopping. It gets people through the door and hopefully they will buy other items from the site at the same time, or they will buy from the site in future.

 

[Evilsod]

You get loyalty from customers by a) offering it cheaper than everywhere else and b) actually delivering it on time for release. You don't get it from offering stupid pre-order bonus' when nobody knows what good they are and people might actually be tempting to order elsewhere because they like the sound of the items from another place more.

They sound like they're just going to break the balance at the start...

 

[Podmonkey]

You can only offer it so cheap before it becomes pointless for a new release (most places already have a few quid off anyway) and you cant tempt people to buy from you with on time delivery as its not something they can promise early and is generaly only seen if you already bought from them before. Tiny bonuses are perfectly fine, they arent giving you the 'epic sword of doom', the items (i.e. in the witcher 2) will likely be the +2 of a certain stat type with a very minimal but still pleasant bonus.

Cant believe people are actually complaining about this. Saying it will be a dissapointment because it has this.... what? really?

The bonus mission isnt going to be another campaign. Its a mission. Likely released for everyone after a short time. Its not needed on release day but will be sat there for those that order from that place for when they want to play it.

 

[Evilsod]

You can only offer it so cheap before it becomes pointless for a new release (most places already have a few quid off anyway) and you cant tempt people to buy from you with on time delivery as its not something they can promise early and is generaly only seen if you already bought from them before. Tiny bonuses are perfectly fine, they arent giving you the 'epic sword of doom', the items (i.e. in the witcher 2) will likely be the +2 of a certain stat type with a very minimal but still pleasant bonus.

Cant believe people are actually complaining about this. Saying it will be a dissapointment because it has this.... what? really?

The bonus mission isnt going to be another campaign. Its a mission. Likely released for everyone after a short time. Its not needed on release day but will be sat there for those that order from that place for when they want to play it.

I forget, what does loyalty mean again? Oh thats right, that you are going to order from them time after time. Which would mean that they would hope in the past you ordered from them and it arrived on time (which by the sounds of things means thehut.com aren't gonna get a single pre-order), failing that, that they deliver on time your first time.

Price will always reach a minimum, and if everyone is offering it at the minimum well then the above comes into it, how good are they at preorders?

But then the bonus items come into it too. Well Amazon were great last time but i like the sound of the items from GAME more. Oops bye bye customer loyalty.

The Witcher 2 is confusing anyway. Regular Edition, Premium Edition, Collectors Edition. Day 1 DLC and preorder items scream money, always have and always will.

 

[Tefal]

Pre-order bonuses help and are requested by retailers, they have nothing to do with the developer.

Not really.



Day one DLC, included with preorders, is there to make sure as many people as possible preorder the game.


Because before release, If you're a big dev/publisher you can pretty much choose the tone of preview articles and the prerelease review scores because the reporters business depends on keeping getting those previews.

However after release anyone can buy the game and reveiw it and has no need to keep you happy and so they rate it more fairly, as they're not going to lose out as much.


So typically you see 98/100 -100/100 scores just before release lots of "amazing features" and "ideas" in previews (regardless of if they make it to the final product) and some nice juicy preorder dlc bonus so people preorder, and then when the inevitable 60-70/100 reviews come in post release and the user complaints they don't care as they're already in the black.

 

[Podmonkey]

So assuming that everybody ordered from the same place last time then the delivery loyalty point would count but it doesnt. If you have bought from a place before and know it came on time or didnt then it will affect your decision sure but for a lot of people they wont have. The only place I wont pre-order from is Play as they are aweful with delivery (crysis 2 a week late etc) but for the other 6 or so retailers it was fair game and the bonus they offered is what made the difference and I would guess that for a lot of people that they have ordered from a place purely for this tiny bonus as there is completely no difference anywhere else. Pre order bonuses (that will have 0 to little actual ingame advantage) are just to tempt people into shopping with certain stores. They all offer a sligtly different bonus so they stand out and get peoples attention.

 

[Evilsod]

So assuming that everybody ordered from the same place last time then the delivery loyalty point would count but it doesnt. If you have bought from a place before and know it came on time or didnt then it will affect your decision sure but for a lot of people they wont have. The only place I wont pre-order from is Play as they are aweful with delivery (crysis 2 a week late etc) but for the other 6 or so retailers it was fair game and the bonus they offered is what made the difference and I would guess that for a lot of people that they have ordered from a place purely for this tiny bonus as there is completely no difference anywhere else. Pre order bonuses (that will have 0 to little actual ingame advantage) are just to tempt people into shopping with certain stores. They all offer a sligtly different bonus so they stand out and get peoples attention.

Er... isn't that what I just said? You get your customers loyalty by offering a good service. Playing pot luck with your preorders because different ones will appeal to different people is hardly going to work to ensure people order from YOU.

And we have no idea what difference these have. The name 'Ultimate Swordsman Suit' sounds fairly good and could really give you a benefit early game. As do all the others but in different ways. We don't know if you get them in game normally or how good they are compared to the other stuff.

And Deus Ex. Several weapons which sound considerably stronger than anything else you'll have near the start-mid game at least (because they can't be upgraded), along with 10000 credits which could be anywhere from a considerable sum of money (it sure as hell was in Deus Ex) to spare change.

 

[Shamikebab]

I always preorder from Shopto, they've always gotten it to me release day or earlier and they're very cheap (plus I get an extra pound of a month as loyalty bonus)

 

[Podmonkey]

Er... isn't that what I just said? You get your customers loyalty by offering a good service. Playing pot luck with your preorders because different ones will appeal to different people is hardly going to work to ensure people order from YOU.

And we have no idea what difference these have. The name 'Ultimate Swordsman Suit' sounds fairly good and could really give you a benefit early game. As do all the others but in different ways. We don't know if you get them in game normally or how good they are compared to the other stuff.

And Deus Ex. Several weapons which sound considerably stronger than anything else you'll have near the start-mid game at least (because they can't be upgraded), along with 10000 credits which could be anywhere from a considerable sum of money (it sure as hell was in Deus Ex) to spare change.

My point was more about new customers than returning ones. People who bought from them before will buy again if the service was good but what about the thousands of other people. Well if they all had the same bonus then nobody would change from who they buy from normally and would make it pointless. Having sligtly differing bonus means that some people will look more favourably upon your version. They will never get everyone but surely its a way of temping a few extra.

What the games do are based on heresay. Without knowing anything theres no point complaining. People shouting its game breaking or it will be crap because it has something that sounds like it could be awesome right off the bat is just looking for something to complain about.

The unltimate swordsman suite sounds like it will give a small bonus to sword fighting. Thats all I can see it doing and I dont think CDprojekt would be dumb enough to ruin their game by putting OP items in from the start. (I did also read somewhere - I will try and look it up again - that the bonus items wont be available at the start but you will have to do a quest an hour or 2 in in order to get them).

The original Deus Ex let you have a GEP gun from the start. I would imagine that ammo will be a big factor in the bonus guns. Unless I have missed some info on how ammo is distributed then there will be very little for special guns lying around. As you say, the credits could go either way. Hoping they are put in for a joke and inflation means 10000 gets you a bar of chocolate.

Edit: In fact the preorder weapons posted above (gamestop?) sound like you get a multitool, a lam and a grenade launcher. Not the greatest of weapon tech.

 

[ColdAsIce]

I always preorder from Shopto, they've always gotten it to me release day or earlier and they're very cheap (plus I get an extra pound of a month as loyalty bonus)

I stopped ordering from shopto when my credit card was used down south somewhere. Only place I had ordered online with it was shopto.

 

[Evilsod]

My point was more about new customers than returning ones. People who bought from them before will buy again if the service was good but what about the thousands of other people. Well if they all had the same bonus then nobody would change from who they buy from normally and would make it pointless. Having sligtly differing bonus means that some people will look more favourably upon your version. They will never get everyone but surely its a way of temping a few extra.

What the games do are based on heresay. Without knowing anything theres no point complaining. People shouting its game breaking or it will be crap because it has something that sounds like it could be awesome right off the bat is just looking for something to complain about.

The unltimate swordsman suite sounds like it will give a small bonus to sword fighting. Thats all I can see it doing and I dont think CDprojekt would be dumb enough to ruin their game by putting OP items in from the start. (I did also read somewhere - I will try and look it up again - that the bonus items wont be available at the start but you will have to do a quest an hour or 2 in in order to get them).

The original Deus Ex let you have a GEP gun from the start. I would imagine that ammo will be a big factor in the bonus guns. Unless I have missed some info on how ammo is distributed then there will be very little for special guns lying around. As you say, the credits could go either way. Hoping they are put in for a joke and inflation means 10000 gets you a bar of chocolate.

Edit: In fact the preorder weapons posted above (gamestop?) sound like you get a multitool, a lam and a grenade launcher. Not the greatest of weapon tech.

And you are equally as likely to have just as many people tempted away from you to go for another set of pre-order items as you are to get people to come to you. The whole thing cancels itself out and just leaves a stupid imbalance in the game for no good reason because everything you did didn't take into account these items. I believe you are right that they're attained from a quest a little time in, but it will still have a noticable effect. It also works against you by bottlenecking you into a certain playstyle all the time because you lose the benefit of the gear trying other methods.

Whats the GEP gun got to do with it? That choice was a farce anyway. Options are, Mini-crossbow, found on at least 5 enemies on Liberty Island, including one of the first enemies you come across right outside the entrance. Sniper Rifle, found on 1 enemy the other side of the main entrance. Or the GEP Gun, found several missions later, your only real ranged defence against sentry bots and all around 'door opening' tool. The first bot its easy enough to take it out by sticking the EMP grenade from the UNATCO satcom thing on its patrol route and theres always a steady supply of ammo that will never exceed what you need it for (its useless against infantry because theres no corpse to loot).

Its set before so inflation doesn't mean much

 

[arknor]

I didn't realise the game was shipping with preorder bonus items and a bonus DLC mission pack...

Could they be more detached from what Deus Ex actually is?

im not pre ordering any more games i have no faith in developers to be honest anymore , they stopped beeing developers who care about a community beeing built around there games along long time ago and turned into salesmen who just want to push and push sequels out as fast as they can.
sad sad times imo..
not like the old days when devs wanted these great communities and modders around there games to prolong them, loads of games only became massive succeses because of modding.
i wonder how many people only bought bf1942 because of the desert combat mod... ea seem to forget all of this stuff very easily

i bet deus ex 3 wont have any modding suport either where as the original shiped with modding tools included

 

[Podmonkey]

And you are equally as likely to have just as many people tempted away from you to go for another set of pre-order items as you are to get people to come to you. The whole thing cancels itself out and just leaves a stupid imbalance in the game for no good reason because everything you did didn't take into account these items. I believe you are right that they're attained from a quest a little time in, but it will still have a noticable effect. It also works against you by bottlenecking you into a certain playstyle all the time because you lose the benefit of the gear trying other methods.

Whats the GEP gun got to do with it? That choice was a farce anyway. Options are, Mini-crossbow, found on at least 5 enemies on Liberty Island, including one of the first enemies you come across right outside the entrance. Sniper Rifle, found on 1 enemy the other side of the main entrance. Or the GEP Gun, found several missions later, your only real ranged defence against sentry bots and all around 'door opening' tool. The first bot its easy enough to take it out by sticking the EMP grenade from the UNATCO satcom thing on its patrol route and theres always a steady supply of ammo that will never exceed what you need it for (its useless against infantry because theres no corpse to loot).

Its set before so inflation doesn't mean much

It cant be any different than being able to carry over ravens armour from the first game though? You buy the one that suits your playstyle. It doesnt mean it will then hinder your ability to do anything else because you have +2 swords. Swap to normal armour and carry on. I welcome the extra armour as I lost my saved game files so cant bring in the armour that I got from the first game. Failing to see how it will cause an imbalance, they cant be stupid enough to do that. From everything that I have seen from footage etc, they wont then go 'well chuck some uber armour in there and let them run riot'. Its a bonus, a neat little extra that may or may not make the slightest bit of difference to the game.

My point of the GEP gun was that it is one of the more powerful weapons in the game that is available from the start if you wish. That was one of your gripes about the weapons being given on the preorder (of which they dont seem at all that powerful). It was large, cumbersome with very little ammo. I dont know anybody that took it over the other weapons. Preorder bonuses have never been anything more than small additions that are either a bit of fun or allow you to get an item a bit earlier than you could usually. Mafia 2, Crysis 2 etc all offered bits that tagged on to what was already there. Its not going to break the game. I am talking as an optimist here by the was as I really want this game to be good, I just dont understand the view of looking for every negative you can find and turning nothing into more negative. People are judging a game before they have seen much and are jumping to conclusions (not aimed at you btw just from a lot of what ive seen on forums etc).