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I thought you were a bit nice in your first post dear 
*** Official Dota 2 Thread ***
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Oh wow I remember this game 
Was on the WK and we completely stomped that match. In fact I don't think you died a single time on PL but I remember you getting very aggressive/moaning at Shami.
If I remember right we had a couple of beginners playing which most likely means the skill level was even lower than 2.5k. There is no way that any of the enemy team would have dust/sentries. Even if they did, you should be checking the enemy hero's inventory every minute or so when in lane.
MrBios you are quite right that you don't need to read that guide to learn the game or get better but in my opinion it's like a bunch of collated useful information or a beginners FAQ for Dota which would save you time in learning the basics...
Anyone is free to play at any level but if reading for 15/20 minutes is too much then I am willing to bet you won't get much enjoyment out of Dota which requires soaking up a tonne of information. Just my 2 cents though.
Was on the WK and we completely stomped that match. In fact I don't think you died a single time on PL but I remember you getting very aggressive/moaning at Shami. If I remember right we had a couple of beginners playing which most likely means the skill level was even lower than 2.5k. There is no way that any of the enemy team would have dust/sentries. Even if they did, you should be checking the enemy hero's inventory every minute or so when in lane.
MrBios you are quite right that you don't need to read that guide to learn the game or get better but in my opinion it's like a bunch of collated useful information or a beginners FAQ for Dota which would save you time in learning the basics...
Anyone is free to play at any level but if reading for 15/20 minutes is too much then I am willing to bet you won't get much enjoyment out of Dota which requires soaking up a tonne of information. Just my 2 cents though.
You can't say you didn't get no farm because the other player in your lane is bad. I've watched players at 6k mmr play PL vs a dual offlane and be left alone by his support constantly and still be able to survive/get farm.
Shami does suck though.p)
You have to remember PL has weak base armour, and low HP. It's hard to farm against a dual lane with the aforementioned issues occurring... A Dazzle who, by no means ON PURPOSE (because I doubt when he healed me he was thinking "lololol im takin ur last hits"), takes last hits through Shadow Wave and a dual lane offlane who are able to harass the PL out from getting farm.
It can/does happen dude. And to be fair, that's kinda the difference... I'd hesitate to compare myself to a 6k player, whatsoever. But on that logic, I've seen players in TI4 having to steer clear of the enemy in the safe lane because of the composition of the enemy lane.
The set up we had wasn't right for PL to march in and take cs. Well, not with a support who was willing to hang back anyway or at least contribute actively to the lane.
To be fair dude, he's got a tonne of games--and it's clear he enjoys the game. I don't think reading a manual is mandatory to playing Dota and if you've got somebody to help you out with the initial stages of the game you'll get through it just fine. Purge's guide isn't the be all and end all of starting off in Dota.
I know how PL works and that its frustrating to have a support not be useful when you are a carry in a lane you should be getting all the farm you like but you just have to suck it up and try your best not to die and get the last hits you can get.
Your main job as carry is to not die for trying to get 2 cs. Every cs I stand back and watch myself miss makes myself cry inside but its something you have to learn to accept. PL can easily catch back up anyway so not having farm in the first 10 minutes could be worse if you are someone like Spectre.
Your main job as carry is to not die for trying to get 2 cs. Every cs I stand back and watch myself miss makes myself cry inside but its something you have to learn to accept. PL can easily catch back up anyway so not having farm in the first 10 minutes could be worse if you are someone like Spectre.
That's the problem I experienced in the game, it was a case of either get low hp and then run back to base and lose out on XPM/GPM. Or stay in lane and soak up the XPM and think about how I could potentially claw back the GPM in the later game.
It's a crappy situation really, but hell it's the best of the situation... I didn't die (not that it means much) because I had to stay out of harms way. But I had to do it despite a bad support... it would've been easier with decent support. Is my point, which you seem to appreciate... so cheers for at least being rational
You aren't going to learn what that guide tells you in 20-30mins inside playing 10 games to be honest. I learnt the long and hard way by myself on HoN and googling stuff I didn't understand as it came up, if I had access to a guide of that quality it would have saved a lot of pain, Dota there is a lot you ain't going to learn by playing and watching games as it isn't explained or made obvious.
Also if he hasn't the patience for 20 mins to even skim read it he ain't getting decent at Dota as it takes many hours to even begin to understand it.
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Wow, look what I started! If anything I expected bringing up LoL to be the thing that started an argument!
To be fair I hadn't looked at the guide, but someone had said it was long, so I was basing it on that. If you can read it in 15-20 minutes then I don't consider it long. I'd consider it to be long if it took hours to read.
I do wonder how people managed to play the game before the guide was written though. How did the person that write the guide manage to learn all that without a guide!
It's quite amazing to think that everyone that's good at Dota 2 read that guide. Newbee must've read that guide!
I shall attempt to skim through the guide at some point. I'm sure some of it won't make sense straight away and might be something you come back to after a few hours/days of playing and then finding it makes sense.
Honestly i don't even give a **** about being good at the game, i enjoy it as it is, i'll learn as i go and get better over time. What's the obsession with getting as good as possible as quickly as possible? I play the game for fun for **** sake not to aim for the next TI. :/
Wow, look what I started! If anything I expected bringing up LoL to be the thing that started an argument!
To be fair I hadn't looked at the guide, but someone had said it was long, so I was basing it on that. If you can read it in 15-20 minutes then I don't consider it long. I'd consider it to be long if it took hours to read.
I do wonder how people managed to play the game before the guide was written though. How did the person that write the guide manage to learn all that without a guide!
It's quite amazing to think that everyone that's good at Dota 2 read that guide. Newbee must've read that guide!
I shall attempt to skim through the guide at some point. I'm sure some of it won't make sense straight away and might be something you come back to after a few hours/days of playing and then finding it makes sense.
You'r totally missing the point. It's like saying how do people navigate without maps? Surely there was a time before maps that people had to get from A - B? Well yes of course but now that we know this knowledge and it's recorded, it can be passed on to others which actually saves them time (If they are entirely new Dota 2/Moba type games) By all means don't read the guide and learn it all on your own.
Cool, he's complaining he sucks bad and wants to get better to enjoy it, the fastest way to do so is learn before you play not trudging through 100 games to get an idea of it.
I do wonder how people managed to play the game before the guide was written though. How did the person that write the guide manage to learn all that without a guide!
Several ways, they played many games to learn the very basics of the game (I took this route for HoN), they had a friend who coached them through it or they played similar games that could translate many of the skills
You're complaining about sucking, people are offering you a simple and faster solution at getting better, the sarcastic 'newbee must've read this guide' is silly
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I'm sure they would read it if they were just starting the game for the first time.
Purge has played dota since WC3 days so thats how he knows so much about it. If you want to take that long to learn it then by all means go for it but its just way easier to read the guide.
Purge has played dota since WC3 days so thats how he knows so much about it. If you want to take that long to learn it then by all means go for it but its just way easier to read the guide.
I agree. I have just printed it all off, and will spend my time reading as I play
Hey dude, I emailed you in Trust (your email address was in there!) as I'm not sure if I added the right person on Steam? I left my profile with you though, so add me when you can
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Where am I complaining about sucking?
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He posted on a forum about his sucking asking for a solution, people gave it. Maybe complaining is a bit strong but it's the gist of it.