**** Official Fallout 76 Thread ****

If someone says they are having fun in the game, is that an excuse/defense or an opinion?

Of course not, but some of the posts in here have bordered more on the cultish/fanatical... I can't be bothered to dig it out but there are a few who come in every time it drops in price saying things to the effect of "It's only £15 on Cdkeys now - for that price everyone should buy it as it's amazing value, absolutely no reason not to play it now, surely nobody can have anything bad to say about it at this point" - how about if I decide when I think something looks worth it? How about if I could have afforded full price easily but chose not to because of what the game represents?

You are absolutely right. The time for slating the game in this thread is gone. People who jump in the thread to put the game down are compairable to granny saying dumb things at xmas dinner. This thread is now for those who are enjoying the game anything else is just baiting.

I think it's still okay for people to say negative things, but it's pointless trying to convince people that already decided the game was worth their money that they've made a mistake, and equally stupid trying to convince people that don't like the look of it or what it represents or are turned off by the reviews that they're idiots/sheep and are missing out on an amazing game... Maybe those discussions had a bit more merit when the game was hot off the presses and there were still people genuinely weighing up whether to get it or not but it's been a while now...
 
@AWPC not sure what happened there - was that you saying goodbye? :D

You turned invisible and was saying follow me but I couldn't see you go anywhere. Thought I'd log out and join again, but you'd then gone.
I fast travelled is all as I wanted to show you this really hard to find location so you knew where it was ;) I did not leave the game its still a little buggy obviously as it said you were stuck on the main menu from my side of things! Also I have a steel undervest which looks well dodgy like S&M underwear :eek: but it adds +1 Endurance at all times :p
Cannot believe I am still finding new locations found another 4 this morning by doing a massive sweep of the entire map just walking the perimeter as far as it would allow let me find several new places in extreme corners ;)
Also saw some great stuff going on! Walked into a massive fight with 5 Scorched being attacked by 5 Mirelurks :eek: then another area Super Mutants were attacking me & as they did so their snipers on the roof hit a nearby car & it exploded & blew some of the Super Mutants across the screen Mission Impossible style :eek::D
 
Right, so to explain to those wondering why the game gets so much hate... It's not necessarily down to being a terrible game, you're allowed to have fun with and enjoy it. The issue people take with it is what the game represents, it is objectively an attempt to cash in on the Fallout brand with minor effort on Bethesda's behalf in order to get in on the microtransactions phenomena. It's also objectively the worst game Bethesda have made (doesn't mean it HAS to be a bad game), and could set the precedence on how Bethesda approach future titles. You do not want Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 to come out anything like Fallout 76 regardless of how much you're enjoying it, even if you think you do.

If this is the road all AAA games follow, AAA gaming will die; and love it or hate it - AAA studios are the backbone of gaming.
Your so wrong though its a fantastic Fallout game with so much depth the more you play the higher levels you gain the more good stuff you unlock. It has minor bugs (which are rapidly being fixed) and other issues with design flaws but still at its core there is an amazing amount of content & massive game world. So many ways to play as well. Solo is best but you can team up with randoms to help on the tougher bosses or join a team of friends or the PVP or PVE.

No microtransactions either you can buy all content within the existing in game Challenges system. If players want to pay money they are just getting cosmetic items the lazy way there is zero gameplay benefit to any of the microtransactions just do the challenges & the Atoms come naturally. All future DLC is also free to all players.

Bethesda made mistakes in marketing this but to be fair the game as it stands is still way more entertaining than many recent games using newer game engines. It also looks fantastic at times. The game engine has had a massive upgrade since Fallout 4 the shader FX lighting now looks a lot better than ever before & the game world size is staggering considering how seamless the landscape streams.

Starfield & Fallout 5 are the next Bethesda SP only titles they are already working on both of those & already confirmed as SP only titles. 76 is just the Fallout 4 MP component being finished 3 years later & released for true Fallout fans so they have something to do for the 3-5 years it will take for the next titles to arrive.
 
Don't feed the trolls :p

It does make me laugh that majority of the people who are criticising it haven't even played the game. It's like saying a film is rubbish when you haven't even watched it.

I only read/take note of @Angilion criticisms because he's actually been playing the game.

I'm not trolling and there's no need to be defensive, it was an observation that a game that's been heavily criticised in reviews and has received a stream of criticism from gamers and the gaming press since release is outselling well-received titles that came out at the same time, prompted by the person before me saying they're buying a copy "just in case it gets fixed".

Admittedly though I should have actually posed the question of: Is it now in a notably better state since those reviews?

You are absolutely right. The time for slating the game in this thread is gone. People who jump in the thread to put the game down are compairable to granny saying dumb things at xmas dinner. This thread is now for those who are enjoying the game anything else is just baiting.

This thread is for anyone who chooses to engage with it, it's not an echo-chamber. The mods are more than capable of ensuring conduct remains within the spirit of the forums.
 
I'm not trolling and there's no need to be defensive, it was an observation that a game that's been heavily criticised in reviews and has received a stream of criticism from gamers and the gaming press since release is outselling well-received titles that came out at the same time, prompted by the person before me saying they're buying a copy "just in case it gets fixed".

Admittedly though I should have actually posed the question of: Is it now in a notably better state since those reviews?



This thread is for anyone who chooses to engage with it, it's not an echo-chamber. The mods are more than capable of ensuring conduct remains within the spirit of the forums.


Here you go granny, take your sherry and go get warm by the fire.
 
I'm not trolling and there's no need to be defensive, it was an observation that a game that's been heavily criticised in reviews and has received a stream of criticism from gamers and the gaming press since release is outselling well-received titles that came out at the same time, prompted by the person before me saying they're buying a copy "just in case it gets fixed".

Admittedly though I should have actually posed the question of: Is it now in a notably better state since those reviews?

Critics/reviewers regularly get things wrong. The general element of their job is subjective, what they may like, others dislike, and what they dislike, others like. Based on the supposed several million copies they've sold across multiple platforms and as you've said, people are still buying the game, really does say something about the bad reviews that some are giving it.

If you are genuinely interested in how the game is currently doing, I'd suggest reading back a few pages at some of the comments I, @AWPC and @Angilion have made regarding some of the limitations and bugs that we've ran into.

Heck for the £10-12 or however much it is these days, it's definitely worth a shot!
 
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I fast travelled is all as I wanted to show you this really hard to find location so you knew where it was ;) I did not leave the game its still a little buggy obviously as it said you were stuck on the main menu from my side of things! Also I have a steel undervest which looks well dodgy like S&M underwear :eek: but it adds +1 Endurance at all times :p
Cannot believe I am still finding new locations found another 4 this morning by doing a massive sweep of the entire map just walking the perimeter as far as it would allow let me find several new places in extreme corners ;)
Also saw some great stuff going on! Walked into a massive fight with 5 Scorched being attacked by 5 Mirelurks :eek: then another area Super Mutants were attacking me & as they did so their snipers on the roof hit a nearby car & it exploded & blew some of the Super Mutants across the screen Mission Impossible style :eek::D

Ah mine was showing you offline all morning.

Yeah there's still stacks of the map left that I'm searching.
 
Have any of you guys got the laser rifle plans with overcharged capacitor mod? I want to play with a laser rifle but i've only seen the sniper one's dropped by supermuties
When you do the main missions as you get near the end game & can access the Whitesprings bunker you can buy lots of mods for many different guns for in game credits. Also I have noticed the higher lvl you reach you start to find these same mods in game for no credits just lying around! Its very random I have found many of the mods I have already bought.
 
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I'm a bit confused with the Rose quests. I have got to the one to find a key fragment at Blackwater mine. I'm level 18 but the mobs are all 40 and rip me to peices. I saw a few videos of this place and the mobs are all around lvl 10. Do I have to do other things until I'm a higher lvl or has someone else spawned high lvl mobs?
 
I'm a bit confused with the Rose quests. I have got to the one to find a key fragment at Blackwater mine. I'm level 18 but the mobs are all 40 and rip me to peices. I saw a few videos of this place and the mobs are all around lvl 10. Do I have to do other things until I'm a higher lvl or has someone else spawned high lvl mobs?
As you lvl up so do some of the enemies do something else in game to get to lvl25-30 range and better equipment or stronger Power Armour with mods. Then try again or find 2-3 players to help you on that mission. There is another later mission where you go to a Wendigo Cave its really hard on Solo you need to be around lvl50 to just about complete it & get the object you need!
 
I got through it in the end. The spawns along a branch off in the mines were a lot closer to my level. Got one shotted outside on my way there!

Maybe its the lack of chat options, but I'm finding people very helpful in game. Wish there was an emote that suggests everyone should 'RUN FOR THEIR LIVES'
 
I got through it in the end. The spawns along a branch off in the mines were a lot closer to my level. Got one shotted outside on my way there!

Maybe its the lack of chat options, but I'm finding people very helpful in game. Wish there was an emote that suggests everyone should 'RUN FOR THEIR LIVES'
Yeah most people are very helpful & give you stuff for nothing or help out in other ways. Although be careful some do this then ambush you with their mates & steal ALL your stuff :eek:
 
Thats what makes the game fun. I remember the days of NWN PW's fondly. Where you could loose your stuff AND your XP because some thief knocked you off when at your most vulnerable. Those were the days where you actually cared for your charactor and knew them inside out.
 
I'm a bit confused with the Rose quests. I have got to the one to find a key fragment at Blackwater mine. I'm level 18 but the mobs are all 40 and rip me to peices. I saw a few videos of this place and the mobs are all around lvl 10. Do I have to do other things until I'm a higher lvl or has someone else spawned high lvl mobs?

If you've seen videos of other players finding ~L10 mobs there, then it's almost certainly due to someone else spawning high level mobs. I've encountered that a number of times myself, with areas that commonly spawn L10-22 mobs suddenly spawning L60+ mobs on a visit there. Not a good game design decision, but that's FO76 for you.

I'm a solo explorer type of player, so I'd explored the entire valley area before going elsewhere. I was >L30 before I encountered Rose. I still haven't even done the first of her quests because it's in an area I haven't been to yet and I wander off to every unknown location that appears on my compass, gradually moving further afield. So I'm fine with unexpected spawning of much higher level mobs - at L40 I can solo a pack of L60+ mobs with no major problems unless one of my weapons breaks.

[..] Also I have a steel undervest which looks well dodgy like S&M underwear :eek: but it adds +1 Endurance at all times :p

Unless you're wearing power armour. Power armour negates all bonuses from everything else you wear. I have crafted modded underarmour that adds to stats and it only applies when I am out of my power armour. That's a design decision by Bethesda, no way around it. You can confirm it by checking your stats in and out of power armour (as I did).

Outside of power armour, I'm wearing Mothman cult ritual bindings, a ranger hat and cliched USA motorbike cop sunglasses. I look wonderfully strange out of power armour. Utter nutjob territory. I smile every time I craft something. I'm going to take some more photos when out of power armour, just for jollies.

I'm not trolling and there's no need to be defensive, it was an observation that a game that's been heavily criticised in reviews and has received a stream of criticism from gamers and the gaming press since release is outselling well-received titles that came out at the same time, prompted by the person before me saying they're buying a copy "just in case it gets fixed".

It sells predominantly because it's a Fallout game. Bethesda could throw out any old turd with a Fallout skin and it would sell at least quite well for a while.

Most of the criticisms I've seen are valid. There's some hyperbole, but there's a lot more of that from the fervent fans (as you can see in this thread).

The game itself is deeply flawed, for the reasons widely stated. However, there's somewhat of a dichotomy. The world-building has been done very well, with an abundance of notes and environmental storytelling in the usual Fallout manner. The construction of the external environments is arguably the best yet in a Fallout game, though that's possibly down to the novelty of a rural rather than urban setting. The flaws are in the fundamentals of the game design and in the foundation of the game. Bethesda have no relevant experience in an online only game and it shows - load times are farcical, lag spikes are ludicrous and reliablity is well below standard. The lack of modding is another massive flaw as modding is a huge part of Bethesda games (to fix bugs, to work around bad design decisions and to add huge amounts of content). Although there are at least 2 mods that fix a couple of the abysmally incompetent UI decisions that Bethesda made - one to make power armour headlamps less crap and one to make inventory management less crap (it allows you to seperate food and drink from the rest of aid and to see the combined weight of stacks of items and of entire inventory tabs).

If Fallout 76 was a house, it would be one that was well built by skilled builders but with substandard materials and bad architecture and badly positioned. Like such a house, it's not worth full price but would serve some people well at a reduced price. I have found it good value for the £27 I paid for it. At the current PC price of <£15, I'd certainly say it's worth a try. Some people like it, so I think it's worth betting that much on liking it. There's some good stuff in it and some good stories in it.


I think a lot of the vitriol stems from the fact that it could have been a much better game and some people are angry at the bodged job and worried that this is the future of the Fallout franchise (which would kill the franchise) rather than an experimental side project (which I hope it is).

If FO76 was an entirely new game without any previous Fallout games having existed, I think the prevailing view would be that it was a promising first attempt with a lot of potential for a better sequel.

Admittedly though I should have actually posed the question of: Is it now in a notably better state since those reviews

No. There have been some minor tweaks and a few of the bugs have been patched. There haven't been any fundamental changes and there probably never will be. It is what it is. They might improve stability. They might fix bugs. They might improve performance. But they can't change the fundamental design of the game and that's the biggest problem with it.
 
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