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Soldato
This is massive. It'll force people who want the new content onto MP, which ultimately means shark card sales will increase. I have zero hopes for the next Rockstar game now as it'll remove around such online practices.
I doubt it'll force people onto the multiplayer & it definitely won't mean that shark cards increase in sales. From reading various forums there is a fair few people who are peeved about this especially content creators.
Rockstar were one of the last companies I held a bit of faith in, Expect the next GTA to be a shark card fest more so than it already is.
Soldato
Well there are people out there who want new content still and MP is where it solely is now. Once they see how overpriced everything is they'll either stick around (which T2 is probably hoping for) or they'll flat out leave.
Hopefully folks drop the game like a wet fish now. This will destroy the modding community good and proper :/ Just deleted the game off my HD. Gun running time/moneysink can FO.
Hopefully folks drop the game like a wet fish now. This will destroy the modding community good and proper :/ Just deleted the game off my HD. Gun running time/moneysink can FO.
I agree with some of your comment, Especially the overpriced/timesink/moneysink part of things. I don't think the modding community will be destroyed though, Someone somewhere will pick up the mantle.
Just like what happened with FiveReborn which is now FiveM. Already someone is modding in the new gunrunning vehicles into the game.
Taken from the OpenIV forums. If only R* could go it alone without T2
They really shouldn't have targeted the single player side though seeing as SP content has been none existent. But I can kinda see why they did with the amount of hacks that are rife in the actual MP. I doubt it'll stop that at all!
I can understand why Take-Two would put a stop to something like FiveM, because it provides an alternative to GTA Online, but preventing modding altogether would serve only to damage their reputation.
Getting back to the update, it seems people are up in arms about the APC requiring a crew to operate. You can't even use the cannon while driving solo, like you can with the Rhino.
The mobile operations centre looks interesting, purely because I've been wanting to buy a semi and trailer for ages.
Getting back to the update, it seems people are up in arms about the APC requiring a crew to operate. You can't even use the cannon while driving solo, like you can with the Rhino.
The mobile operations centre looks interesting, purely because I've been wanting to buy a semi and trailer for ages.
Well you can use the APC cannon solo, it's just that you have to be stationary. I use it in resupply mission when not using a buzzard.
Seem's the Open IV closure is getting some traction in the gaming press, as it should. I wonder if AB is being contacted about scripthook as well????
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Wow, take 2 never cease to amaze me.
People go on about EA/ubi etc. being bad/money grabbing gits but two face are a hundred times worse.
Doubt I will support i.e. buy any of their future games now, pretty clear that they are going to lock everything good/worthwhile behind pay walls in the future aka buy shark cards unless you want to spend weeks/months in order just to be able to buy a new car (factoring in all the upgrades)
Thank god some hacker give me like 30+ million at the start of the game.
People go on about EA/ubi etc. being bad/money grabbing gits but two face are a hundred times worse.
Doubt I will support i.e. buy any of their future games now, pretty clear that they are going to lock everything good/worthwhile behind pay walls in the future aka buy shark cards unless you want to spend weeks/months in order just to be able to buy a new car (factoring in all the upgrades)
Thank god some hacker give me like 30+ million at the start of the game.
Soldato
From GTA 1 to GTA VC R* were quietly supportive of the communities around modding etc. Back in the GTA1 days they helped found and support some of the forums and communities.
The whole modding battle kicked off when the Hot Coffee thing went viral in SA which was obviously embarrassing for them in the media, but hardly a huge deal.
This new issue is all down to online and money. Not just becasue it unlocks content in SP, but becasue the tools out there aid the hackers and modders in the online world. I devalues the money making online portion of GTA Online. It's worth many many millions.
I have been part of the GTA community pretty much my whole adult life, used to make cars for GTA1 in Paintshop Pro and made cars in ZModeller and 3DS Max. GTA Online was exciting, but didn't hold up to the premise to me. I tried to play it recently and it just wasn't fun and it would take many months to accrue any kind of interesting value to purchase the fun items in the game. They want you to blow real money on the shark cards which is all well and good, but the environment doesn't live up to the hype IMO, just couldn't find it enjoyable. It would make more sense as an MMO style online than the heavily instanced grievance fest it is now.
The whole modding battle kicked off when the Hot Coffee thing went viral in SA which was obviously embarrassing for them in the media, but hardly a huge deal.
This new issue is all down to online and money. Not just becasue it unlocks content in SP, but becasue the tools out there aid the hackers and modders in the online world. I devalues the money making online portion of GTA Online. It's worth many many millions.
I have been part of the GTA community pretty much my whole adult life, used to make cars for GTA1 in Paintshop Pro and made cars in ZModeller and 3DS Max. GTA Online was exciting, but didn't hold up to the premise to me. I tried to play it recently and it just wasn't fun and it would take many months to accrue any kind of interesting value to purchase the fun items in the game. They want you to blow real money on the shark cards which is all well and good, but the environment doesn't live up to the hype IMO, just couldn't find it enjoyable. It would make more sense as an MMO style online than the heavily instanced grievance fest it is now.
Kerbal space program was bought by them a couple of weeks ago. It will be interesting to see how quickly they can massively **** off the community as well.
You are absolutely right in saying they are looking to put everything behind a pay wall. The rumors that SP DLC was canned for GTAO, in my opinion sets a massive precedent. If Take2 Think they can get away with reducing upfront costs of a developer producing a "full" SP game, instead spreading the cost over the duration of an online life, then we will have to rely on Indy devs as all large publishers will jump on the money train...
The sad thing is, online/shark cards have been extremely successful for R*/take 2, iirc, it alone has generated around $500 million and that was a year ago..... So I can only see things getting worse.
Given what happened with the red dead redemption mod for gta 5 also getting a cease and desist, I'm not surprised by the openVI news.
This is why I hate the majority of DLC with a passion, just cutting out content from the game and then locking it behind "another" pay wall.....
I'm not hopeful at all for any future titles by them either now as chances are they will make the SP basic/crap and just concentrate on the online side of things.
I just installed some free cheats so I added $3 billion to my bank account and got rid of them the sad thing is online becomes boring fast. I have no idea why people buy Shark Cards, microtransactions are what ruin gaming for me.
Five M was right to be taken down. It was infringing on their IP and files Online. Open IV was not Five M. It has been around 10 years (hence the IV) Rockstar have featured countless mods on their website using it in GTA 4.
So I am not sure why this change in policy by Take2
Rockstar will not ban players for using SP mods or say they must not be used.
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Soldato
Take Two own Rockstar so I'd imagine the latter would have to 'bown down'.
I don't believe it was right for FiveReborn to be taken down. Why?
Because it is offering something that R*/T2 refuse to do. Which is make the online fun. FiveM is what GTA:O could have been if T2/R* weren't so greedy. Sadly it gets a bad rap because it is an enabler for people to hack I guess?
I understand why they would because who would play GTA:O if FiveM was finished? But again the people who refuse to buy shark cards aren't going to turn around & buy them just because FiveM isn't around.
This is besides the point anyway, It wasn't FiveM that closed it was OpenVI which enabled 99.9% of SP mods to work.
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Soldato
Shark cards are pay to win pretty much but I wouldnt say its as bad as it could be. Also they'd just lose players if they made it totally that way and they probably know that.
If this whole operation is part of an empire and of a company listed as a stock, then its all out of the hands of anyone who created the game. They dont own the content, a thousand stock holders with powerful connections are what determine the rules. Anything that happens in a little server in uk also applies to a billion potential buyers of gta5 in China, big big money and they'll not give any personal allowance when dealing with such figures.
I dont mind the DLC. We can say at this point this would not have been in the original game. I see it just adds variety, the old alternative is they would have released gta6 by now. I dont think they will give any sequel before 2020, the spec of new consoles released kind of says they are fine just staying with this game engine seemingly forever.
I dont take any of the online seriously, its just for messing around in. They just removed 49m from me but Ive no idea how I got that anyway. The only progress I recognise is the ranking and that stops at 120 so the rest is just a sandbox.
I played online in gta4 and it was deserted then, was everyone on private servers?
https://www.wired.com/2011/04/all-your-base-excerpt/
If this whole operation is part of an empire and of a company listed as a stock, then its all out of the hands of anyone who created the game. They dont own the content, a thousand stock holders with powerful connections are what determine the rules. Anything that happens in a little server in uk also applies to a billion potential buyers of gta5 in China, big big money and they'll not give any personal allowance when dealing with such figures.
I dont mind the DLC. We can say at this point this would not have been in the original game. I see it just adds variety, the old alternative is they would have released gta6 by now. I dont think they will give any sequel before 2020, the spec of new consoles released kind of says they are fine just staying with this game engine seemingly forever.
I dont take any of the online seriously, its just for messing around in. They just removed 49m from me but Ive no idea how I got that anyway. The only progress I recognise is the ranking and that stops at 120 so the rest is just a sandbox.
I played online in gta4 and it was deserted then, was everyone on private servers?
https://www.wired.com/2011/04/all-your-base-excerpt/
Perhaps I was a little strong there.
They never deserved to be taken down you are right but the FiveM guys ****ed up. They were doing no checks to see if the copy of GTA V was pirated, there was a support forum post to say exactly that. Also they absolutely did not deserve to be stalked and then issued with cease and desist by Take2.
FiveM now is NOT the original guys, it is Five reborn and another group merged using the name.
New FiveM is still alive and going strong.
GTA V could have been so much better agreed.
There is a lot I don't like now compared to 12 months ago.
It is totally geared up for shark cards, The new content is now too expensive with rewards remaining the same, NO solo or invite sessions for new DLC game play and the new DLC stock production is stupidly slow, around 50K and hour. So yeah it has massive massive flaws.
What about cheaters/griefers in online? I am passed the point of caring now. Too much water has passed under the bridge for me to give two hoots. I stay in solo public or pretty much invite sessions with friends. Don't care about other players modded money either. There is no way a new player will every be able to earn enough money to have all the new stuff or the old. Gun running DLC has cost me $30 million.
Soldato
Thing is, OpenIV doesn't touch online, the devs made it specifically so it can't be used online. All the multiplayer hacks are through dll injections because (as I understand it) the game has no direct dedicated servers, it all exists locally though some weird p2p system, so you modify your own character really easily. Killing off OpenIV purely hurts the SP modders.