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*****Official Ivybridge Review Thread*****

Alex, you also have to remember cost.

Assuming that a 4.5Ghz Ivy is similar to a 4.8Ghz SB (and these clocks are realistic), why would I buy Ivy when Ivy is more expensive than SB?

Heat, at high overclocks (and voltages), IS a problem.

At stock (and clock for clock) though, you are right: Ivy is better than SB.
 
So do you recommend Sandy for those of us trying to decide what to chose to replace the Q6600? Ivy or Sandy are going to be a big upgrade in performance but deciding which to choose....
 
I would get a z77 board.
Buy a cheap SB (2500k).
When the next generation of IB is released (which overclocks well), sell the old SB and replace with IB.

Do bear in mind that at stock, IB is faster. Once overclocked to their highest stable clock, they are about the same.
 
Why is the UK price so shrouded in mystery? Intel has stated the US RRP ($212 for the 3570k) so what reason is there for the UK retailers to not reveal it?

Unless it's because they want to try and sell lots of Sandybridge chips off before they tell us the IB price, which while it is just business, it's not particularly ethical IMO.
 
scritchyrat said:
Why is the UK price so shrouded in mystery? Intel has stated the US RRP ($212 for the 3570k) so what reason is there for the UK retailers to not reveal it?

Unless it's because they want to try and sell lots of Sandybridge chips off before they tell us the IB price, which while it is just business, it's not particularly ethical IMO.
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I agree with both points, it is because they want to sell as many SB as they can, I also 110% agree it is not very ethical....
 
I'm not sure it's unethical. Not even one UK retailer is advertising them for sale or pre-order (based on a very quick google search) which probably means Intel have strictly set the date/time at which the chips can be advertised and sold.

We know the rough ballpark prices. They are hardly going to shift more than £20-£30 from that estimate.
 
They have been tempting people with Sandy reductions, but will those buyers be pleased if Ivy is cheaper than they thought?

As I said yesterday, if NDA has been lifted retailers should release prices. Put the customer first, give us the chance to make an informed choice.
 
prescott28 said:
Of course it may juts be that they want to wait and see what other people are charging....
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It shouldn't matter what other companies are charging. My issue is that Intel themselves have revealed the US RRP. Now Wal-Mart can add 20 dollars on top of that, Radio Shack can undercut that by dollars etc. I want to know why there isn't an official UK RRP so we know roughly what the figure is going to be (taking the US price, converting and adding VAT isn't helpful).

As it stands now, it feels like the price is being deliberately kept from us so a cabal of etailors can flog off old stock.
 
GnollinZ said:
Agree.

This whole "unethical" stance doesn't make sense. Once the IB processors are available you will still be able to get the 2500K etc for a while before stock runs out. You only have to wait a few more days.
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If, for instance, the UK RRP is £145, are you going to pay the nearly £170 that OCUK are asking for a 2500k? So they can drop the price by a tenner or so (like they did with the 2600k) and everyone thinks it's a bargain and buys one, before revealing the price of IB and hoping people will sell their newly bought Sandy's on and buying an IB.

I know it sound silly and conspiracy like, but I'm struggling to think of a valid reason why the NDA is up and we know everything about the new chips, bar their UK price.
 
scritchyrat said:
If, for instance, the UK RRP is £145, are you going to pay the nearly £170 that OCUK are asking for a 2500k? So they can drop the price by a tenner or so (like they did with the 2600k) and everyone thinks it's a bargain and buys one, before revealing the price of IB and hoping people will sell their newly bought Sandy's on and buying an IB.

I know it sound silly and conspiracy like, but I'm struggling to think of a valid reason why the NDA is up and we know everything about the new chips, bar their UK price.
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This is what I have hinted at a number of times, and seems the only logical explanation...
 
Locky said:
I see this not worth me upgrading from a I7 970 Hex at 4.4?
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Definitely not.

X58 is still on par for gaming with all the latest platforms.

prescott28 said:
So do you recommend Sandy for those of us trying to decide what to chose to replace the Q6600? Ivy or Sandy are going to be a big upgrade in performance but deciding which to choose....
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If upgrading from a Q6600, go with a cheap Z77 setup. An IB is still fine, but without pricing information available yet, no one knows it it will make a better purchase than a SB 2500k.
 
scritchyrat said:
If, for instance, the UK RRP is £145, are you going to pay the nearly £170 that OCUK are asking for a 2500k? So they can drop the price by a tenner or so (like they did with the 2600k) and everyone thinks it's a bargain and buys one, before revealing the price of IB and hoping people will sell their newly bought Sandy's on and buying an IB.

I know it sound silly and conspiracy like, but I'm struggling to think of a valid reason why the NDA is up and we know everything about the new chips, bar their UK price.
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You only have to wait a few days. What's so urgent that you're forced to buy a CPU before the weekend? This time next week both SB and IB will be on sale, and you can make an informed choice.
 
GnollinZ said:
You only have to wait a few days. What's so urgent that you're forced to buy a CPU before the weekend? This time next week both SB and IB will be on sale, and you can make an informed choice.
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Uncertainty.

Places have offers on which have SB chips at very competitive prices. The perception is that if you don't take the offer up, you could end up spending a fair amount of money more on the same product and IB launches at more than imagined. You're then left having to pay more for either a SB or IB; this especially effects those that are making major upgrades (myself included from a Q6700) and have already bought Z77 motherboards and/or RAM.

The length of time until the reveal is irrelevant. There shouldn't and isn't any justifiable reason we're being kept in the dark unless Intel themselves haven't told their partners (which they have because Gibbo has stated OCUK will have competitive pricing and he couldn't say that if he didn't know what they are).
 
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