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BFCTom said:
He's going to have to ask will he be guaranteed a starting place though. There is already massive competition (Keita, Busquets, Toure) for the 3rd, deeper CM spot at Barca (which isn't really Cesc's natural position) and he's not going to displace the golden boys Xavi/Iniesta anytime soon.

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Fabregas in countless games for Spain has proven to be better than BOTH, his scoring and assist record was better than both in the Euro's and the team with him on the field instead of on the bench was FAR better than the minutes played without Fabregas on the pitch.

LIkewise Messi and Xavi(but unsurprisingly not Iniesta :p ) have both loudly spoken out saying he will be brilliant and is needed at Barca, which would pretty heavily indicate what they think of Fabregas in terms of quality.

As for the deeper CM position he plays that a LOT of the time at Arsenal, he breaks up play well, closed down against Liverpool FAR more than Song or Diaby, ran harder and further than Song or Diaby, made a bunch of tackles/held up their attacks and intercepted the ball, he's very very good in the deeper CM role.

Keita, Busquets and Toure are not in the same class as Fabregas, and he'd quite easily walk into the first team. In reality, he'd be used in rotation with Xavi and Iniesta, because both are great players and it means that unlike at Arsenal they can rest Fabregas without any real problem.

Fabregas scores and gets more assists than Iniesta, who doesn't do a whole lot defensively, and he out scores and assists Xavi who does a heck of a lot more defensive work than INiesta, but about the same job Fabregas does these days, and Fabregas does it in a significantly worse team, with a massively worse central midfield than at Barca.

I don't care when he goes, I'd love him to stay, he deserves to go to a team with a non moronic manager whose lost the plot, and should be winning titles.

He's got a decade where he should really be winning a title or two every season in the right team, if he does so he'd rightly be remembered as one of the best players ever, if he stagnates at Arsenal for another 5 years, he'll never be regarded as one of the best. Maybe the sooner the better, any player can have a career ending injury at any time. He could stay at Arsenal and not win anything for the next 2 years then get injured and never play again. Or go to Barca, win a couple trebles and champs league finals, and then get injured and never play again.
 
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Don't see why he'd leave this early, he's basically turned into a slightly slower Iniesta this season, and he wouldn't displace Iniesta, he must know this. Unless Barca were intending on selling some of their CM's it'd make no sense for Cesc to go, he wouldn't play every game and he would do at Arsenal. He should go there when he's 24/25 when Xavi slows down and Wilshere is ready for Arsenal. Why would Wenger sell him now? He has a contract with Arsenal for 5 years or so. I wouldn't imagine Wenger would sell him yet.
 
DM, I didn't mean that Cesc isn't better (or wont be in the future) than Xavi and Iniesta - far from it.

It's just at the moment those two are the picks for club and country as they have played together so many times and have good chemistry (that makes them sound gay hah!).

I can see Cesc going to take Xavi's place in a few years time, as jakeke said.
 
Barca are one of the biggest clubs in the world, they play beautiful football the right way, who wouldn't want to be part of that?

Cesc, will go back to Barca, it's always being a question of when. He's said in interviews he wants to go back to Barca, much like Ronaldo always said he wants to play for Real one day.

I don't think he would be moving for the money Tom, I believe that there are still players out there that aren't motivated soley by money.

I also don't think he would just be a "squad player", I don't think he would walk in and replace Xavi and Iniesta, they're just better together for club and country. (Despite what DM says)

I think Arsenal need to show him that they are going to make progess, they're not doing this, He's using Arsenal as a learning curve, and has being for some time, they play football that suits him.

I think (as others have said) that Cesc would be a long term replacement for Xavi, It's all a matter of time, Arsenal know they can't keep him and wouldn't be able to turn down a good offer.

Question is all about time, when will he go? The news broke in 3/4 different newspapers in Spain that Cesc has agreed a contract, a very similar story to the Ronaldo one.

@ DM, please stop touching yourself over Cesc, he's good, he's fantastic at times, if he continues to improve he'll become a great player. I wouldn't over hype him and say right now that he's going to be an "all time great", That puts him up there with the Pele's, Maradonna's, Cruyff, Di Stefano, Puskas et al.
 
I've never seen a 22 year old be as good as he is and as complete a footballer in my football watching lifetime, admittedly that isn't a lot. He has a chance to be a great imo (besides Messi, who will be a great)
 
Fab has every much of a chance to become a great player, as do many of the current crop of young superstars.

I think Arsenal need to spend a bit of money to delay him going as much as they can, He is the best player at the club.

I think Arsenal would still be a decent side, one player doesn't make a team.
 
Shamikebab said:
What do we think would happen to Arsenal if he left? Would Arsene finally spend big to get a quality replacement in?
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We'd be entirely screwed, RVP only stayed because Wenger promised to improved the squad, he's absolutely failed to do that. Losing Fabregas will lead to RVP, Arshavin leaving, Gallas is probably on his way already, which will likely pee off RVP/Fabregas in terms of quality of the team.

How we can fail to give Gallas a real contract, while we'll give Silvestre who may aswell not be at the club a 2 year contract is a joke and I can't possibly explain.

I think the chances of finding another 5-10mil Vermaelen quality centre back to replace Gallas, who will leave on a free, is almost non existant, no one else, like Senderos or Djourou are anywhere near Gallas's level at all and never will be.

So a weak defence with little cover will lose its best player, unlikely to be replaced by anyone half as good, while we're desparately trying to convinced RVP and Fab to stay because we are moving forwards.

Fabregas going will just lead to most of our decent players finally calling it quits and asking to leave. Fabregas himself, isn't directly replaceable, but someone good enough could be found and he isn't the only decent player in the team, but its the problems following him leaving that will cause massive problems.

@Tummy, Cesc is that good, he's dominated games against Utd, Chelsea, Real Madrid and plenty of other teams, he was the single best player in the Euro's. He's been consistantly brilliant for years and has been amongst the top if not the top assist maker in the league for years, and years now.

Spain are an insanely good side, and they look markedly better with Fabregas on the pitch, go look up how many goals were scored with, and without Fabregas on the pitch in that cup.
 
Shamikebab said:
What do we think would happen to Arsenal if he left? Would Arsene finally spend big to get a quality replacement in?
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I think Ramsey and Wilshere will both replace Cesc, doubt any money will be spent in CM to replace him. Diaby is in with a shout too if he keeps improving, I'd imagine the main CM options would be those 3 post-Cecs, who knows though
 
drunkenmaster said:
@Tummy, Cesc is that good, he's dominated games against Utd, Chelsea, Real Madrid and plenty of other teams, he was the single best player in the Euro's. He's been consistantly brilliant for years and has been amongst the top if not the top assist maker in the league for years, and years now.
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@ DM :D

No he's not that good yet, comparing him to some of the best players to grace a football pitch is taking it too far.

Cesc hasn't dominated games against Man United for a while, nor Chelsea.

Please don't over hype him. I'll admit he's good, he's still young he will hopefully still improve and develope in to a better player.
 
drunkenmaster said:
@Tummy, Cesc is that good, he's dominated games against Utd, Chelsea, Real Madrid and plenty of other teams, he was the single best player in the Euro's. He's been consistantly brilliant for years and has been amongst the top if not the top assist maker in the league for years, and years now.

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Is this the same United and chelsea that has crushed the Arsenal midfield and destroyed them utterly in the last 5 or so games?
 
drunkenmaster said:
I don't care when he goes, I'd love him to stay, he deserves to go to a team with a non moronic FAN whose lost the plot
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atpbx said:
Is this the same United and chelsea that has crushed the Arsenal midfield and destroyed them utterly in the last 5 or so games?
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I wouldnt say crushed by both. The first game against Utd we actually played better but lost, the second game we didnt show up. Chelski did crush us in both tho :p
 
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bloodline76 said:
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I wouldnt say crushed by both. The first game against Utd we actually played better but lost, the second game we didnt show up. Chelski did crush us in both tho :p
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Utd crushed Arsenal in both CL ties last season (despite the score in one of them) as well as the most recent PL game

fair to say that the other PL game earlier this season (against Utd) was a lot more equal though
 
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