***Official Le Mans 24 Hours Thread***

Skeeter said:
Does anyone know of a website that explains the the Hybrid rules for Le Mans? I'm struggling to understand them. Theres something to do with activation zones and braking zones?
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I'm struggling to find 2 sites which say the same thing let alone explain it well.

Did find one which is reasonable - http://www.speedsportlife.com/2012/05/30/2012-24-hours-of-le-mans-acofia-announce-hybrid-braking-zones/

My understanding is:
  • 500KJ released between each designated braking zone
  • No "push to pass", the energy is released simply as the car runs
  • Audi can't release energy below 120kmh because it goes to the fornt wheels - I assume this is the ACO trying to prevent then having an advantage out of the corners

Not sure how the last one fits with the requirement to be able to run the length of the pit lane at 60kmh on KERS only to be designated a hybrid.
 
Ah ok, that makes more sense. In each braking zone they can harvest 500KJ of energy and release that until the next zone as additional power delivered through normal drive.

Yeah, I don't get the Audi system regards the pit rules either. Unless they are running on engine power? They use a flywheel KERS too which we all thought was against the ACO rules, so its entirely possible they have convinced the ACO to allow them to bend the rules for them.

I shall see if you can hear it under power down the pits during qualifying, which has just started by the way :D
 
Just spotted that the Garage 56 spot for next year is already filled....

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Er..... ok.
 
Ok, one of the E-Tron Audis just trundled down the pitlane under diesel engine power, so I assume they aren't using electric power in the pitlane like the Toyotas.
 
Not that ive found.

This is the actual link http://live.lemans-tv.com/

I've just read that Michelin has set the Delta Wing a target of 10 stints on 1 set of tyres. Anyone know how many laps the Delta Wing is doing per stint?

Edit: Holy cow. Just combined a number of articles for some Google based maths. Delta Wing expect to be doing 2 laps more than most on a single stint. The Audis are doing 10 or 11 lap stints, meaning the Delta Wing should be looking at 12 or 13 laps. That means Michelin have set a target of up to 130 laps on a single set of tyres! The entire race on 3, maybe 4 sets!

Wow!
 
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Re: 2013 Garage 56
Hydrogen tanks on the side of the car?
Huh.... Well that sounds.... errr... safe?

But the DeltaWing is growing on me. Still don't think it's particularly attractive, but it's better that the LMP cars. I think it'd look better in different colours.

Shame that the number 8 Toyota has lost an engine. :(
 
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Skeeter said:
Ok, one of the E-Tron Audis just trundled down the pitlane under diesel engine power, so I assume they aren't using electric power in the pitlane like the Toyotas.
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Due to the fact the Audi's goes to the front wheels, not the rear, they are only allowed to engage it at speeds above 125kph iirc.
 
Aparently those hydrogen tanks are 10x as strong as LMP1 fuel tanks, and hydrogen (I assume in liquid form?) is less flammable than petrol.

As for the 10 stint thing for the Delta Wing, they aren't in a race so its not about speed of pit stops. They are all about proof of concept so if they can do 10 stints they will just to prove they can.
They are all about efficiently. Half the power, half the weight, half the fuel, and half the tyres of the 'normal' P2 cars, while lapping at the same speed.
 
Flibster said:
Due to the fact the Audi's goes to the front wheels, not the rear, they are only allowed to engage it at speeds above 125kph iirc.
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Yeah, but that seemed to contradict with the rule about being able to do the length of the pitlane (400m) under electric power only at 60km/h.

However, having looked into it, it looks like that is something they just have to prove they are able to do, and not actually something they have to do during the race.
 
First qualifying results.

Code: 
Pos  Cl     Drivers                             Team/Car                     Time
 1.  P1     Fassler/Lotterer/Treluyer           Audi e-tron                  3m25.453s
 2.  P1     Capello/Kristensen/McNish           Audi e-tron                  3m26.536s
 3.  P1     Dumas/Duval/Gene                    Audi Ultra                   3m26.694s
 4.  P1     Wurz/Lapierre/Nakajima              Toyota                       3m27.191s
 5.  P1     Bonanomi/Jarvis/Rockenfeller        Audi Ultra                   3m27.554s
 6.  P1     Davidson/Buemi/Sarrazin             Toyota                       3m28.295s
 7.  P1     Leventis/Watts/Kane                 Strakka HPD                  3m32.750s
 8.  P1     Belicchi/Primat/Bleekemolen         Rebellion Lola-Toyota        3m33.140s
 9.  P1     Prost/Jani/Heidfeld                 Rebellion Lola-Toyota        3m33.211s
10.  P1     Ara/Minassian/Bourdais              Pescarolo Dome-Judd          3m34.716s
11.  P1     Brabham/Chandhok/Dumbreck           JRM HPD                      3m37.088s
12.  P1     Montagny/Baguette/Kraihamer         OAK Pescarolo-Judd           3m38.414s
13.  P2     Beche/Thiriet/Tinseau               TDS ORECA-Nissan             3m39.252s
14.  P2     Firth/Hughes/Hartley                Murphy ORECA-Nissan          3m39.877s
15.  P2     Potolicchio/Dalziel/Kimber-Smith    Starworks HPD-Honda          3m40.639s
16.  P2     Briere/Petersen/Nakano              Boutsen ORECA-Nissan         3m40.727s
17.  P2     Nicolet/Lahaye/Pla                  OAK Morgan-Judd              3m40.902s
18.  P2     Dolan/Hancock/Kurosawa              Jota Zytek-Nissan            3m41.287s
19.  P2     Sims/Buurman/Iannetta               Status Lola-Judd             3m41.451s
20.  P2     Heinemeier Hansson/Leinders/Martin  OAK Morgan-Nissan            3m41.721s
21.  P2     Martin/Charouz/Graves               ADR ORECA-Nissan             3m41.791s
22.  P2     Perez-Companc/Ayari/Kaffer          Pecom ORECA-Nissan           3m41.916s
23.  P2     Ordonez/Brundle/Brundle             Greaves Zytek-Nissan         3m42.125s
24.  P2     Panciatici/Ragues/Rusinov           Signatech ORECA-Nissan       3m42.157s
25.  P2     Tucker/Bouchut/Diaz                 Level 5 HPD-Honda            3m42.224s
26.  CDNT   Franchitti/Krumm/Motoyama           Highcroft Delta Wing Nissan  3m42.612s
27.  P2     Mailleux/Lombard/Tresson            Signatech ORECA-Nissan       3m44.495s
28.  P2     Zugel/Gonzalez/Julian               Greaves Zytek-Nissan         3m47.408s
29.  P2     Holzer/Schultis/Moro                Kodewa Lola-Lotus            3m48.067s
30.  P2     Frey/Hirschi/Meichtry               Race Performance ORECA-Judd  3m48.124s
31.  P2     Giroix/Johansson/Badey              Gulf Lola-Nissan             3m50.526s
32.  P2     Haezebrouck/Thirion/Papin           Extreme Limite Norma-Judd    3m51.012s
33.  GTE P  Gavin/Milner/Westbrook              Corvette                     3m55.910s
34.  GTE P  Makowiecki/Melo/Farnbacher          Luxury Ferrari               3m56.076s
35.  GTE P  Taylor/Garcia/Magnussen             Corvette                     3m57.181s
36.  GTE P  Fernandez/Mucke/Turner              Aston Martin                 3m57.466s
37.  GTE P  Bertolini/Beretta/Cioci             AF Corse Ferrari             3m57.509s
38.  GTE A  Neiman/Pilet/Pumpelly               Flying Lizard Porsche        3m57.594s
39.  GTE P  Lieb/Lietz/Henzler                  Felbermayr-Proton Porsche    3m57.648s
40.  GTE P  Alfaisal/Curtis/Edwards             IMSA Porsche                 3m58.035s
41.  GTE P  Bergmeister/Long/Holzer             Flying Lizard Porsche        3m58.717s
42.  GTE A  Simonsen/Nygaard/Poulsen            Aston Martin                 3m58.725s
43.  GTE A  Bornhauser/Canal/Lamy               Larbre Corvette              3m59.192s
44.  GTE A  Ried/Roda/Ruberti                   Felbermayr-Proton Porsche    3m59.529s
45.  GTE A  Armindo/Narac/Pons                  IMSA Porsche                 4m00.332s
46.  GTE A  Ehret/Montecalvo/Jeannette          Luxury Ferrari               4m00.849s
47.  GTE P  Walker/Cocker/Wills                 JMW Ferrari                  4m00.883s
48.  GTE A  Bourret/Gibon/Belloc                Larbre Corvette              4m03.021s
49.  GTE A  Rodrigues/Ferte/Illiano             JMB Ferrari                  4m04.416s
50.  GTE A  Perazzini/Cadei/Griffin             AF Corse Ferrari             4m04.493s
51.  GTE A  Krohn/Jonsson/Rugolo                Krohn Ferrari                4m04.698s
52.  GTE A  Kauffman/Aguas/Vickers              AF-Waltrip Ferrari           4m04.861s
53.  GTE A  Camathias/Daniels/Palttala          JWA Porsche                  4m08.170s
54.  P2     Deletraz/Ihara/Rostan               Gulf Lola-Nissan             4m14.086s
55.  P1     Collard/Boullion/Hall               Pescarolo-Judd               3m39.656s
56.  GTE P  Fisichella/Bruni/Vilander           AF Corse Ferrari             3m57.735s

Looking at those times, you have to wonder why anyone other than Audi or Toyota bothers to turn up with a P1 car :(
 
Hmm, the Eurosport comentators don't seem too keen on the Delta Wing. They are constantly talking about it being in the way, expecting it to not do very well, not finish, and have started saying they "don't see its relevance".

Strikes me as either being a bit dismissive of it because its different, or maybe they simply don't understand what its all about.

I think its great. I hope they finish and I hope someone makes a 1:18 diecast model of it
 
Damn. :(

Was hoping for a Toyota on the front row.

Oh well. They were a lot closer than I was initially expecting, especially as they have come into Le Mans a year earlier than they initially wanted to.

LMP2 is amazingly close though.

Nice to see the DeltaWing in 29th, ahead of some of the LMP2's. All I can hope is that they finish the 24 hours.
 
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