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I can't think for the life of me why it would be anywhere near 80GB?

Maps streamed live so can't be that, plane tweaks and improvements won't be that big either[/QUOTE

80GB download is the latest rumour mate! It sound's like pretty much a new game install to sort the cr@p out? Please don't take my word for it though, It's being discussed on Steam and a few other places.
 
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80GB download is the latest rumour mate! It sound's like pretty much a new game install to sort the cr@p out? Please don't take my word for it though, It's being discussed on Steam and a few other places.

Trying to find that thread on Steam but so much noise over there seems to have disappeared off the first few pages.

Also note there's a couple of fanboys over there who are popping up on just about every critical thread trying to ridicule perfectly reasonable points of view. Will probably avoid posting until things settle down and (TBH) not much point playing the game until the patch lands.
 
Trying to find that thread on Steam but so much noise over there seems to have disappeared off the first few pages.

Also note there's a couple of fanboys over there who are popping up on just about every critical thread trying to ridicule perfectly reasonable points of view. Will probably avoid posting until things settle down and (TBH) not much point playing the game until the patch lands.

Vern, The thread is about 7 pages in on the Steam discussion page, I can't copy over a link though, I found this, Seems to confirm the update but not the size of it.
https://www.flightsimulator.com/august-20th-2020-development-update/

The point of my post was not to announce to all that there is deffo an 80GB update, More the fact that if rumour's are true i will use the opportunity to purchase the updated version from Steam and hopefully do a clean, Seamless install!
 
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Is there a bug with the Cessna Citation CJ4

Max altitude is 45000ft, I attempt to get to 45000ft and use altitude hold but anything over 35000ft and the altitude hold isn't working, also speed is struggling, the best I can do is 35000ft with altitude hold and AP, the max speed in game is 440KTAS, however stats state 451

When I was at 45000ft also the plane just kept dipping up even when it went over the altitude, when working correctly as the plane approaches correct altitude the ascent slows to a very slow progresion as the plane levels off and maintains the altitude and them approaches cruise speed, but as said anything over 35000 this isn't happening
 
Can I just ask what difficulty settings do most of you use ? I’m finding if you stick everything on easy you cant even adjust the aircraft speed , also is it possible to have a map that tells you the name of the towns and villages you fly over , I’m finding I’m getting lost flying around exploring.
 
Must say I'm in love with this sim. As a bit of a plane geek it just ticks the boxes that x-plane never did.

All of the comm frequencies are correct (that I've tried) so I can look up the ATIS Freq on navigraph and put it in to comm2 and monitor the ATIS when in range so I can get ready for an approach. Just had a flight from Newquay to Exeter with my brother in law and the weather is bang on. Brilliant stuff.

We are now planning a tour from the south of the UK to the north fully vfr, each picking a leg. Awesome!

Would love to learn all this stuff can you recommend a good teacher on YouTube ?
 
Max altitude is 45000ft, I attempt to get to 45000ft and use altitude hold but anything over 35000ft and the altitude hold isn't working, also speed is struggling, the best I can do is 35000ft with altitude hold and AP, the max speed in game is 440KTAS, however stats state 451

There’s actually quite a lot to unpack here. So first things first, I haven’t tried it but that sounds like an autopilot bug not allowing you to maintain anything above 35,000 with alt selections. I’ll have a try later and see if I get the same issue. (Edit - I tried and had no issues capturing at 35,000, 40,000 or 45,000ft and holding there in ALT.)

Secondly, what weight are you at? the achievable FL will be dependent upon weight (and other factors too such as outside air temperature and CG). A certified ceiling is just that, an upper limit, not a guarantee that you can reach it under all conditions (nor indeed that you couldn’t technically exceed it in some conditions). For example if you don’t mind I’ll frame this post in reference to the A320, which is where the bulk of my experience lies, you would have 39800’ as the certification ceiling. Often the Rec Max (recommended maximum) level will be significantly lower until you’ve burnt off some fuel (or thrown some passengers out, but that’s generally frowned upon outside of parachuting flights...), or if the temperature is warmer than the ISA atmosphere you will also see reductions to the rec max.

Just in terms of terminology here to help understand you can think of Rec Max (which is just an airbus term), as sort of an “operational” ceiling which takes into account the actual configuration of the aircraft and environmental conditions and gives you 0.3g buffer margin, the ability to maintain level at cruise thrust and 300fpm climb at climb thrust.

That last parameter leads on to the next point, which is that the available excess thrust is tiny up there... if you think that going from max cruise thrust to max climb thrust can only net you a theoretical 300fpm up, you can perhaps infer that there also isn’t much thrust left to accelerate you either. So slow acceleration up near your operational ceiling would very much be expected behaviour! It is in fact a point that more pilots could do with appreciating, and has led to incidents in the past due to a lack of handling experience at super high altitudes... the drag curve takes no prisoners up there and you do not want to find yourself on the wrong side of it!

As for the speed, again I’ve not really looked much at the plane in question but bare in mind that above the transition level it is Mach number that will become your limit (Mmo) not IAS (Vmo)... that’s a whole other conversation though! The specs on the plane selection screen seem to suggest 451 KTAS as the max cruise Speed though? Where do you get the 440? (Edit - I have no issue reaching 451 TAS?)


When I was at 45000ft also the plane just kept dipping up even when it went over the altitude

not sure what you mean here?
 
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But game decided to troll me
Can I just ask what difficulty settings do most of you use ? I’m finding if you stick everything on easy you cant even adjust the aircraft speed , also is it possible to have a map that tells you the name of the towns and villages you fly over , I’m finding I’m getting lost flying around exploring.
This free add on, but I didn't try it yet myself https://www.msfsaddons.org/freeware/plugin-vfrmap
 
Would love to learn all this stuff can you recommend a good teacher on YouTube ?

It's stuff I've picked up from various videos over the years, real world and sim.

Real world I watch steveo1kinevo
Sim stuff I tend to Google what I'm trying to find out and usually end up stumbling on tutorial videos. flightdeck2sim, 320 sim pilot and squirrel seem to be some of the better ones.
 
There’s actually quite a lot to unpack here. So first things first, I haven’t tried it but that sounds like an autopilot bug not allowing you to maintain anything above 35,000 with alt selections. I’ll have a try later and see if I get the same issue. (Edit - I tried and had no issues capturing at 35,000, 40,000 or 45,000ft and holding there in ALT.)

Secondly, what weight are you at? the achievable FL will be dependent upon weight (and other factors too such as outside air temperature and CG). A certified ceiling is just that, an upper limit, not a guarantee that you can reach it under all conditions (nor indeed that you couldn’t technically exceed it in some conditions). For example if you don’t mind I’ll frame this post in reference to the A320, which is where the bulk of my experience lies, you would have 39800’ as the certification ceiling. Often the Rec Max (recommended maximum) level will be significantly lower until you’ve burnt off some fuel (or thrown some passengers out, but that’s generally frowned upon outside of parachuting flights...), or if the temperature is warmer than the ISA atmosphere you will also see reductions to the rec max.

Just in terms of terminology here to help understand you can think of Rec Max (which is just an airbus term), as sort of an “operational” ceiling which takes into account the actual configuration of the aircraft and environmental conditions and gives you 0.3g buffer margin, the ability to maintain level at cruise thrust and 300fpm climb at climb thrust.

That last parameter leads on to the next point, which is that the available excess thrust is tiny up there... if you think that going from max cruise thrust to max climb thrust can only net you a theoretical 300fpm up, you can perhaps infer that there also isn’t much thrust left to accelerate you either. So slow acceleration up near your operational ceiling would very much be expected behaviour! It is in fact a point that more pilots could do with appreciating, and has led to incidents in the past due to a lack of handling experience at super high altitudes... the drag curve takes no prisoners up there and you do not want to find yourself on the wrong side of it!

As for the speed, again I’ve not really looked much at the plane in question but bare in mind that above the transition level it is Mach number that will become your limit (Mmo) not IAS (Vmo)... that’s a whole other conversation though! The specs on the plane selection screen seem to suggest 451 KTAS as the max cruise Speed though? Where do you get the 440? (Edit - I have no issue reaching 451 TAS?)




not sure what you mean here?


The weight was standard as FS set it at and I was flying over France crossing into Switzerland.

Also what I mean the plan isn't level with the horizon the the screen it's constantly pointing up which is slowing the plan down, like it's trying to climb even when it was above the altitude hold.

Surely the process of ascent is the same as 10-20 as it is at 35-45k?
 
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