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Official OcUK Skylake-X & Kabylake-X Review thread

///Rage said:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/der8auer-feels-x299-is-a-platform-a-disaster-for-overclocking.html


Triggering Zornyan...
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not really, it's a shame to be honest but it shows the incompetence of motherboard vendors.

fwiw, the actual power delivery is fine on these motherboards, as der8auer said it's the *heatsinks* doing the opposite if what they're supposed to do


literially taking the heatsink off drops temps a fair bit, he even said leave the heatsink off, put a small fan near it and vrm temps are fine (60c which is the same as any ryzen or z270 mobo under load)

I just can't believe how poorly designed heatsinks are these days that they now create heat traps, much like the m.2 *heatsinks* that actually cause them to throttle.
 
Do wonder if this is being overblown as usual though. Didn't the guy in the video state they were example boards only and Asus already has better VRM cooling for boards that will hit the market?
Not sure I buy the excuses. Bringing the release forward a month or two isn't a massive difference as I would have thought R&D for the new x299 boards would or should have being happening for some time. I'd have thought if Intel released two months early the main problem would be getting boards out to suppliers, not so much the design of componets for them although could have a minor impact I suppose..
I think it's always good not to be an early adopter of new tech, so waiting a few months for newer boards might be wise generally.
Sounds like all the manufacturers could do with revisiting what makes a good board. Ditch the stupid LED's especially on "enthusiast" boards (which I thought meant tech savvy also :) and build in top quality.
 
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DarrenM343 said:
Do wonder if this is being overblown as usual though. Didn't the guy in the video state they were example boards only and Asus already has better VRM cooling for boards that will hit the market?
Not sure I buy the excuses. Bringing the release forward a month or two isn't a massive difference as I would have thought R&D for the new x299 boards would or should have being happening for some time. I'd have thought if Intel released two months early the main problem would be getting boards out to suppliers, not so much the design of componets for them although could have a minor impact.
I think it's always good not to be an early adopter of new tech though, so waiting a few months for newer boards might be wise generally
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apparently the asus boards have already been held back (rampage/apex etx) to change the thermal pads and fix the heatsinks.

der8auer did mention the strix isn't having this issue, I think his quote was along the lines of "I havnt tested the strix myself but know people that have and they've reported the vrms aren't throttling"

vendors would have had engineering samples/specs 6+months ago minimum, this is purely the result of sticking plastic tat and leds on heatsinks for years and thinking it's adequate for cooling.
 
zornyan said:
not really, it's a shame to be honest but it shows the incompetence of motherboard vendors.

fwiw, the actual power delivery is fine on these motherboards, as der8auer said it's the *heatsinks* doing the opposite if what they're supposed to do


literially taking the heatsink off drops temps a fair bit, he even said leave the heatsink off, put a small fan near it and vrm temps are fine (60c which is the same as any ryzen or z270 mobo under load)

I just can't believe how poorly designed heatsinks are these days that they now create heat traps, much like the m.2 *heatsinks* that actually cause them to throttle.
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Lol

How were they supposed to design them if Intel didn't warn anybody about heat generated, power draw etc...

But you go on blame everyone around it's probably amd's fault as well as they released cpu earlier, that didn't need so much power and caused mobo makers not prepared
 
haszek said:
Lol

How were they supposed to design them if Intel didn't warn anybody about heat generated, power draw etc...

But you go on blame everyone around it's probably amd's fault as well as they released cpu earlier, that didn't need so much power and caused mobo makers not prepared
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I think you havnt watched the video.

the mosfets/vrms are capable of handling overclocking on these cpus, hence how der8ayer got 5ghz on a 7900x himself.

the issue is the *heatsinks* are actually heat insulators

I think we can agree heatsinks should reduce temps.of the vrms right? these are actually increasing vrm temps.

that's literially poor design by vendors, because they would rather attached plastic ontop of them with fancy leds etc

if you bought any of these boards, and removed the heatsinks you would be fine to overclock.
 
actually just another point on this, der8auer used a rampage to get 5ghz.....with no heatsinks on the vrms.

the fact that adding a heatsink has caused temps to raise just shows how incompetent motherboard vendors are now...
 
haszek said:
Lol
How were they supposed to design them if Intel didn't warn anybody about heat generated, power draw etc...
But you go on blame everyone around it's probably amd's fault as well as they released cpu earlier, that didn't need so much power and caused mobo makers not prepared
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Do we know for sure that mobo vendor designers don't get early example CPU's to test with? I would have thought they would. At least they would have received spec sheets or all operating conditions of the CPU's which should be enough to be honest. Even from spec sheets I would have thought they could then at least simulate test conditions.

Some people seem to make assumption Intel just throw the finished CPU's at mobo vendors to then develop a board for but I really doubt that's the case :).
Anyway, seems to be the case it's just cheap easily fixable thing(s) that are causing the issue, probably as others said they're too busy attaching LED's to everything.
I'm expecting the next mobo I buy to flash pretty multi-coloured patterns at me as I take it out of the box :)
 
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zornyan said:
I think you havnt watched the video.

the mosfets/vrms are capable of handling overclocking on these cpus, hence how der8ayer got 5ghz on a 7900x himself.

the issue is the *heatsinks* are actually heat insulators

I think we can agree heatsinks should reduce temps.of the vrms right? these are actually increasing vrm temps.

that's literially poor design by vendors, because they would rather attached plastic ontop of them with fancy leds etc

if you bought any of these boards, and removed the heatsinks you would be fine to overclock.
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I think you haven't watched it as he assumes it's more like 50/50 fault and you defend your blues to the end and blame everyone around
 
apparently it could be a psu, johnnyguru has said this about it

"If you used the SuperFlower PSU in the video with the crystal connectors, that's part of your problem. Those "universal 9-pin connectors" have less conductors than most other modular PSUs because the same connector that's used for EPS12V, PCIe, etc. has to also support +5V and +3.3V for Molex and SATA and then there's an "LED pin" which, when grounded to a ground pin, turns on the interface's LED. A horribly bad design. This is why the wires would be so hot. I suggest checking the voltage at the PSU and then at the motherboard's EPS12V to see what the drop looks like under load. If the voltage is significantly lower than +12V, the board is going to have to pull more current than it normally would. I then suggest using that AX1500i you have on the shelf behind you and see if you end up with the same results since that modular cable for the EPS12V is four +12V pins and four grounds. -- jonny"

apparently he's informed der8auer about the issue so waiting to hear back, if so then much more current was being pulled through than necessary.

which could explain why other reviewers have gotten 4.7ghz from the 7900x on various motherboards without vrm temps being an issue.


which also coincides as to why the only other person he knows to have tested another board (strix) which has worse vrms than the ones he has, havnt had vrm throttling issues, since they're using a different psu.
 
TheF34RChannel said:
Too much to read here in reply to Der8auer's vid so I'll post 3 very useful links here with pics and a couple of good posts by OC3D's Tom Logan, which basically and at least indicate the guy's PSU (ouch to an overclocker):

https://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=81071

https://forum.overclock3d.net/search.php?searchid=3756192

https://www.facebook.com/tinytomlog...125641228357/1707642909276615/?type=3&theater
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that's bad that der8auer couldn't identify the problem before making his video.

considering other reviewers have done 4.7ghz on the very same boards he's claiming 4.4ghz is throttling he should have checked why that was.
 
TheF34RChannel said:
Please read through the 3 links I posted above your quoted post before making silly comments :D (you did make me laugh though)
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if anything the strix is performing much better than I expected, think I might go back to.my original idea of getting that one.

normally I have the rampage models but the x299 rampage looks ridiculous to me with the "armor" and the LCD panel....
 
TheF34RChannel said:
Too much to read here in reply to Der8auer's vid so I'll post 3 very useful links here with pics and a couple of good posts by OC3D's Tom Logan, which basically and at least indicate the guy's PSU (ouch to an overclocker):

https://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=81071

https://forum.overclock3d.net/search.php?searchid=3756192

https://www.facebook.com/tinytomlog...125641228357/1707642909276615/?type=3&theater
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der8auer said he'll test it with different PSU and will make new video on a weekend, so there will be confirmation what is going on.
 
zornyan said:
apparently it could be a psu, johnnyguru has said this about it

"If you used the SuperFlower PSU in the video with the crystal connectors, that's part of your problem. Those "universal 9-pin connectors" have less conductors than most other modular PSUs because the same connector that's used for EPS12V, PCIe, etc. has to also support +5V and +3.3V for Molex and SATA and then there's an "LED pin" which, when grounded to a ground pin, turns on the interface's LED. A horribly bad design. This is why the wires would be so hot. I suggest checking the voltage at the PSU and then at the motherboard's EPS12V to see what the drop looks like under load. If the voltage is significantly lower than +12V, the board is going to have to pull more current than it normally would. I then suggest using that AX1500i you have on the shelf behind you and see if you end up with the same results since that modular cable for the EPS12V is four +12V pins and four grounds. -- jonny"

apparently he's informed der8auer about the issue so waiting to hear back, if so then much more current was being pulled through than necessary.

which could explain why other reviewers have gotten 4.7ghz from the 7900x on various motherboards without vrm temps being an issue.


which also coincides as to why the only other person he knows to have tested another board (strix) which has worse vrms than the ones he has, havnt had vrm throttling issues, since they're using a different psu.
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Hmmm, I have one of those psu's. Didn't completely get what he was saying, but does it boil down to 'bad psu'?
 
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