Then why is silicon lottery experiencing the same results ?
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Official OcUK Skylake-X & Kabylake-X Review thread
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Then why is silicon lottery experiencing the same results ?
he has said since that the issue isn't as bad as what der8auer is making out, and when I openly asked what board would be fine for 5ghz+ he said literially any motherboard is capable of handling high clocks without issue.
apparently, he installed the setup in a case, set the AIO rad above the board and then had them drawing in as intakes (so warm radiator air blowing down) and the vrm temps were fine.
jayztwoncents commented about airflow in his ryzen case and having to reverse fans to cool the vrms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6UAjQmg9Ho&feature=youtu.be&a
now that's full water but the case is sub optimal apparantly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6UAjQmg9Ho&feature=youtu.be&a
now that's full water but the case is sub optimal apparantly
Yep.
Unfortunately for X299 any mobo decision to be made, people have to wait for EKWB or Bitspower to announce which mobos they will release monoblocks for.
I remember also we were here few months ago, discussing that many who used the stock wraith cooler coming with the 1700 had far better OC results than those who used AIO. Because the downwards streaming of air, was cooling the VRMs.
IMHO monoblock or nothing atm. X399 looks superb but I will have to wait until September when EKWB announces which mobos will get monoblocks.
clearly you need a monoblock when temps are fine with an AIO at 4.6ghz right ?
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cp...er_der8auer_calls_intel_x299_a_vrm_disaster/1
few quotes
" tried the X299-A - Gigabyte Gaming 7 and MSI Carbon today....
If an overclocker isnt cooling other parts of the board in an open test bench its not the boards fault
Also I dont think my normal airflow from a case would slash 30c off of temps, I think there is a bit more to it tbh."
https://m.facebook.com/tinytomlogan...125641228357/1707642909276615/?type=3&theater
yeah those 50c vrm temps are deadly amirite? better LN2 those suckers to be extra careful?
guess der8auer is right and you can't sustain 4.4ghz on that exact motherboard...
https://youtu.be/inH278yCXvo
look at this idiot, he thinks he's at 4.7ghz but clearly his vrms are throttling back to 4ghz on an open bench with no airflow too.
gosh, I guess der8auer has shown that every single reviewer had vrm throttling issues and didn't know about it.
I mean, it couldn't be his faulty psu/cables could it? nahhhh
der8auer is using a gaming 3 not a gaming 7, so a different board and spec; the gaming 7 can have 2 x 8pin 12v power(the gaming 3 cant). Which leads me to, with lower power inputs, is the gaming 3 the same vrm phases as the gaming 7 (which is more akin to the range topping gaming 9) with 12 phases. I suspect, the gaming 3 may well be 8 phase.
johnnyguru has commented on this again after testing
"No anomalies found. In fact... Like Tom, I didn't see anywhere near the high temperatures the guy in the video saw. My PSU connector (at the load) temperatures were < 40°C even after an hour. Maybe his thermometer or thermal couplers are pooched and this whole thing is a false alarm."
this was a follow up of his original comment
"FYI, there is a good possibility the PSU used influenced this a lot. He's using the Superflower PSU with the transparent modular connectors. That particular model uses the same 9-pin connector type for ALL connectors. So the nine pins have to support +12 V, +5 V and +3.3 V and ground connections. Thus, if the voltage drops from the PSU to the EPS12V, the VRMs have to pull more current at the lower voltage than it would if the voltage were higher thus causing them to run hotter too. It has fewer +12 V connectors on the PSU side too, so voltage drop is a guarantee."
basically the "universal" psu cables were causing the vrms to pull much more current than needed.
der8auer has agreed it could be an issue and is rebenching
the first part (his test result) is a comment on oc3ds Facebook (same link I posted above just scroll down)
second part was a comment on the YouTube video, he also mentioned it on LTT and a couple other forums
gotta lol at TTL basically putting a world known overclocker to shame because he couldn't check his facts.
from his new x299 strix review
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As always with these things it is a case of someone doing something once, getting a bad result, and then shouting to the world about it before they've checked their facts. For example, we ran the Strix at maximum overclocking under the kind of loading that only OCCT can provide, and after what felt like forever we measured the temperatures and discovered that the front MOSFET heatsink reached the giddying heights of 48°C quite a bit less than the 70-80c that is bounding round the internet. We also ran the tests on the rear of the board right beneath the mosfets to mimic the other testing and we saw 61.8 degrees, this means our temps were at least 30C lower than what has been seen elsewhere online. Blimey, better call the fire brigade. Before you say "ahhhh but he didnt test the strix" we have tested all of our boards here and they none were excessively hot or overheated. We used the Prime X299-A board in our CPU reviews and haven't seen any issues at all, also we have only ever used a single 8pin CPU power connector, adding in an extra cable didnt effect the overclocks what so ever. Maybe running them in a case makes a huge difference? Well no. removing the AIO from the roof and disconnecting ALL other fans made our temps rise by no more than 3C. Myth Busted?"
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/asus_x299-e_strix_gaming_review/13
from his new x299 strix review
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As always with these things it is a case of someone doing something once, getting a bad result, and then shouting to the world about it before they've checked their facts. For example, we ran the Strix at maximum overclocking under the kind of loading that only OCCT can provide, and after what felt like forever we measured the temperatures and discovered that the front MOSFET heatsink reached the giddying heights of 48°C quite a bit less than the 70-80c that is bounding round the internet. We also ran the tests on the rear of the board right beneath the mosfets to mimic the other testing and we saw 61.8 degrees, this means our temps were at least 30C lower than what has been seen elsewhere online. Blimey, better call the fire brigade. Before you say "ahhhh but he didnt test the strix" we have tested all of our boards here and they none were excessively hot or overheated. We used the Prime X299-A board in our CPU reviews and haven't seen any issues at all, also we have only ever used a single 8pin CPU power connector, adding in an extra cable didnt effect the overclocks what so ever. Maybe running them in a case makes a huge difference? Well no. removing the AIO from the roof and disconnecting ALL other fans made our temps rise by no more than 3C. Myth Busted?"
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/asus_x299-e_strix_gaming_review/13
and response in comments...
"I did the same testing with a Seasonic 1200 W PSU and the VRMs still throttle. It's not PSU related" der8auer
either he's trying to save face, or he has issues with his thermcouples. the fact that he's the one and only person to have this issue is what is confusing.
I mean, der8auer is claiming 10 mins of non avx load on every single board is causing them to throttle.
we have tests of OCCT, prime and other tests with avx loads, for 1 hour or more, getting 30-40c less than him.
so they tested the temp everywhere except the vrm's
They captured temperature from the VRM heatsinks.
Different board with more power inputs than the Gaming 3. IF Tom Logan wanted to be a ******* , he should have at least used a similar board to the gaming 3 not a more expensive and better equipped one. Very much leaning to a lower power phased VRM`s on the gaming 3.
considering der8auer said he couldn't sustain 4.6ghz on the asus prime and msi carbon (Tom tested both and found that they both ran as cool as the strix)
Heatsinks will be far cooler then the VRMs.
Want an example, run your CPU up to 80C and see how warm the CPU heatsink block is.