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gareth170 · 9 Oct 2009 at 14:38

drunkenmaster said:
Gareth, have you tried watching any mkv encoded files, 720/1080 stuff, it would crash for me(or be unresponsive) when using WMP, VLC, MPC. But it might be certain types of video.

have tried blu-ray movies which is fine. also dvb-s2 hd channels are fine..

always goes to 400/900.

drunkenmaster · 9 Oct 2009 at 14:42

JAKUS said:
I'm not gonna pick the bones out of Your post but You are way off track here
UVD will only work with approved vc1/H264 and codec/players It sounds like Your MKV's (x.264) are trying to call hardware acceleration !
You do not have a powerplay issue of any description ! You have a driver conflict which considering You are running W7 is what You should not be too surprised about

Even though disabling powerplay they all work, and multiple people with the exact same issue, all disable powerplay, and it works for all of them to?

That is surprising, so its a driver problem, even though, not changing the drivers, or the codec's, or the players, it works instantly and completely fine the second powerplay stops. :confused:

drunkenmaster · 9 Oct 2009 at 14:46

gareth170 said:
have tried blu-ray movies which is fine. also dvb-s2 hd channels are fine..

always goes to 400/900.

I'm very sure mine wasn't switching to 400/900 under playback, because I was using gpu-z and CCC to check when/where it went to 99% gpu load and became unresponsive. It stayed at , I've forgotten what it was 157/300 speeds.

WHich is again making me think under some setup's, hmm, maybe its certain bios's, that middle UVD stage simply isn't kicking in.

LIke I said, kicked the speeds up, stopped power play, no issues at all.

I do remember AMD having that installing drivers with 4gb mem problem a year or two back on some setups. Maybe theres something there as I'm fairly sure everyone in the thread had 8gb's, I take it you were using high def in win 7?

Were you using the cd drivers, or the RC6 from amd's website?

EDIT:- we've both got a Sapphire actually, can you load up the newest gpu-z and check what bios version you have? It gives a longer name than the CCC info panel will give you. Possibly some people have a different bios on diff cards, though unlikely.

The Asgard · 9 Oct 2009 at 14:54

Not read all the post but it does sound like a power play issue.
From playing with my 5870 yesterday it does look like power play is handled by the driver and not the BIOS. Without the driver the power consumption goes through the roof. So there could be some power play issues with certain setups depending on how the sensing works to detect these different states.

md99 · 9 Oct 2009 at 14:57

Mmmmm. It's real purdy....

gareth170 · 9 Oct 2009 at 14:59

drunkenmaster said:
I'm very sure mine wasn't switching to 400/900 under playback, because I was using gpu-z and CCC to check when/where it went to 99% gpu load and became unresponsive. It stayed at , I've forgotten what it was 157/300 speeds.

WHich is again making me think under some setup's, hmm, maybe its certain bios's, that middle UVD stage simply isn't kicking in.

LIke I said, kicked the speeds up, stopped power play, no issues at all.

I do remember AMD having that installing drivers with 4gb mem problem a year or two back on some setups. Maybe theres something there as I'm fairly sure everyone in the thread had 8gb's, I take it you were using high def in win 7?

Were you using the cd drivers, or the RC6 from amd's website?

im using RC7

gareth170 · 9 Oct 2009 at 15:05

drunkenmaster said:
EDIT:- we've both got a Sapphire actually, can you load up the newest gpu-z and check what bios version you have? It gives a longer name than the CCC info panel will give you. Possibly some people have a different bios on diff cards, though unlikely.

Jakus · 9 Oct 2009 at 15:12

Well, Well, I did some tests in XP, It seems the 58XX series are accelerating more video types and with different Players

Jakus · 9 Oct 2009 at 15:16

drunkenmaster said:
Even though disabling powerplay they all work, and multiple people with the exact same issue, all disable powerplay, and it works for all of them to?

That is surprising, so its a driver problem, even though, not changing the drivers, or the codec's, or the players, it works instantly and completely fine the second powerplay stops.

How are You disabling Power play ? (clock override tool) ?

drunkenmaster · 9 Oct 2009 at 15:30

yup, msi afterburner doesn't stop powerplay, nor CCC, both just increase the speed of top 3d mode, which is nice, hopefully when the MSi app gets voltage control it will only change full 3d voltage also, so you don't have to enable higher voltage for overclock then drop it back down for idle.

Gpu clock tool just overrides everything and sticks to whatever clock you give it, the second I did that, mouse and high def problems instantly gone.

I have exactly the same bios/card as Gareth so not some weird bios with a missing mode.

Don't suppose you could do one last thing, in the CCC just save your ati overdrive settings in a new profile, then show a screenie of the settings in the profile, you can find the saved profile in users > user >app data>local>ati>ace>profiles probably have to unhide all hidden folders in folder view if you haven't already.

You can open the file in notepad, when I do that theres only 3 power states listed, 157/300 , 550/ something, and 725/1000 (off the top of my head, with gpu clock tool its changed them all, forgot the middle mem speed). But no sign of the 400/900 uvd speed state.

But that state might not show up in the profile as standard, not sure. But I'm fairly certain all the issues are down to that state being missing.

Jakus · 9 Oct 2009 at 15:31

The Asgard said:
Not read all the post but it does sound like a power play issue.
From playing with my 5870 yesterday it does look like power play is handled by the driver and not the BIOS. Without the driver the power consumption goes through the roof. So there could be some power play issues with certain setups depending on how the sensing works to detect these different states.

I would say the switching is controlled by Bios and driver otherwise clock tools would not work
I spent a fair bit of time with earlier DDR5 cards Bioses and switching Memory frequency causes screen flicker, I came up with a work around

But ATI have a better one now and I think they Sync the clock change to the Monitor refresh'
Now think about UVD calling (for clocks) for a video playing in a window...where You going to hide that flicker if the video frame rate is different.

Jakus · 9 Oct 2009 at 15:43

drunkenmaster said:
yup, msi afterburner doesn't stop powerplay, nor CCC, both just increase the speed of top 3d mode, which is nice, hopefully when the MSi app gets voltage control it will only change full 3d voltage also, so you don't have to enable higher voltage for overclock then drop it back down for idle.

Gpu clock tool just overrides everything and sticks to whatever clock you give it, the second I did that, mouse and high def problems instantly gone.

I have exactly the same bios/card as Gareth so not some weird bios with a missing mode.

Don't suppose you could do one last thing, in the CCC just save your ati overdrive settings in a new profile, then show a screenie of the settings in the profile, you can find the saved profile in users > user >app data>local>ati>ace>profiles probably have to unhide all hidden folders in folder view if you haven't already.

You can open the file in notepad, when I do that theres only 3 power states listed, 157/300 , 550/ something, and 725/1000 (off the top of my head, with gpu clock tool its changed them all, forgot the middle mem speed). But no sign of the 400/900 uvd speed state.

But that state might not show up in the profile as standard, not sure. But I'm fairly certain all the issues are down to that state being missing.

I have Nothing of interest below ATI/ace but those power states are correct and taken from the cards bios

paste.......
<Profile>
<Caste name="Graphics">
<Adapter name="PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_6899&SUBSYS_0B001002&REV_00_4&22FC202A&0&0008A" />
<Groups />
</Caste>
</Profile>
......paste

That's all I have

drunkenmaster · 9 Oct 2009 at 15:46

JAKUS said:
I would say the switching is controlled by Bios and driver otherwise clock tools would not work
I spent a fair bit of time with earlier DDR5 cards Bioses and switching Memory frequency causes screen flicker, I came up with a work around But ATI have a better one now and I think they Sync the clock change to the Monitor refresh'
Now think about UVD calling (for clocks) for a video playing in a window...where You going to hide that flicker if the video frame rate is different.

Yeah, flicking when i changed clocks to lower with the 4890, but it dropped power consumption 20W or so. They've changed something, forcing lower clocks with the 5850 with two screens caused all kinds of crap to happen, flicking madness on the second screen when moving stuff on the main screen. Thats why they've disabled the uber low clocks on dual screen setups. Disconnected the 2nd monitor soon after I installed as I don't really need it and wanted to test with the single screen and less issues.

drunkenmaster · 9 Oct 2009 at 15:48

JAKUS said:
I have Nothing of interest below ATI/ace but those power states are correct and taken from the cards bios

paste.......
<Profile>
<Caste name="Graphics">
<Adapter name="PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_6899&SUBSYS_0B001002&REV_00_4&22FC202A&0&0008A" />
<Groups />
</Caste>
</Profile>
......paste

That's all I have

I think when you save the profile you need to at the bottom open the options and click on things you want saved, so ati overdrive options should bring up those speeds in the profile after. Will be interesting to know if they are just missing on mine, or if the UVD one isn't there for you either.

With gpu clock tool setting clocks to 800/1100 I get this in the profile.

<Group name="Overdrive5">
<Feature name="TimeUnlocked" />
<Feature name="OverclockEnabled">
<Property name="OverclockEnabledProperty" value="True" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="CoreClockTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="79998" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="79998" />
<Property name="Want_2" value="79998" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="MemoryClockTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="110000" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="110000" />
<Property name="Want_2" value="110000" />
</Feature>
<Feature name="CoreVoltageTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="1088" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="1088" />
<Property name="Want_2" value="1088" />

normally with powerplay I get the 3 standard speeds for mem/cpu, I would expect hopefully that you'll have a 4th(and maybe 5th value) with the other speeds. If they are supposed to show up there, I also wonder if I can add them into the profile myself.

booyaka · 9 Oct 2009 at 15:54

Has anyone managed to use MSI to set the fan control speeds etc?

gareth170 · 9 Oct 2009 at 15:58

- <Profile>
- <Caste name="Graphics">
- <Groups>
- <Group name="Overdrive5">
<Feature name="TimeUnlocked" />
- <Feature name="OverclockEnabled">
<Property name="OverclockEnabledProperty" value="True" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="CoreClockTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="15700" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="55000" />
<Property name="Want_2" value="77500" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="MemoryClockTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="30000" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="90000" />
<Property name="Want_2" value="112500" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="CoreVoltageTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="950" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="1088" />
<Property name="Want_2" value="1088" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="MemoryVoltageTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="0" />
<Property name="Want_1" value="0" />
<Property name="Want_2" value="0" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="FanSpeedProtocol_0">
<Property name="FanSpeedProtocolProperty" value="Percent" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="FanSpeedAlgorithm_0">
<Property name="FanSpeedAlgorithm" value="Automatic" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="FanSpeedRPMTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="1147" />
</Feature>
- <Feature name="FanSpeedPercentTarget_0">
<Property name="Want" value="50" />
</Feature>
</Group>
</Groups>
- <Adapter name="PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_6899&SUBSYS_0B001002&REV_00_4&3A49DA0C&0&0010A">
<Aspect name="Overdrive5" />
</Adapter>
</Caste>
</Profile>

drunkenmaster · 9 Oct 2009 at 16:00

booyaka said:
Has anyone managed to use MSI to set the fan control speeds etc?

just tried it, works fine, just unclick the little box that says auto on the right above the fan speed slider, change speed, and apply.

EDIT:- thanks gareth, looks like the uvd speeds are hidden somewhere then.

No idea why they aren't changing for some of us

Jakus · 9 Oct 2009 at 16:13

JAKUS said:
I have Nothing of interest below ATI/ace but those power states are correct and taken from the cards bios

paste.......
<Profile>
<Caste name="Graphics">
<Adapter name="PCI_VEN_1002&DEV_6899&SUBSYS_0B001002&REV_00_4&22FC202A&0&0008A" />
<Groups />
</Caste>
</Profile>
......paste

That's all I have

Strange !!!!
Try this..
<Feature name="CoreClockTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="15700"/>
<Property name="Want_1" value="55000"/>
<Property name="Want_2" value="72500"/>
</Feature>
−
<Feature name="MemoryClockTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="30000"/>
<Property name="Want_1" value="90000"/>
<Property name="Want_2" value="100000"/>
</Feature>
−
<Feature name="CoreVoltageTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="950"/>
<Property name="Want_1" value="1038"/>
<Property name="Want_2" value="1088"/>
</Feature>
−
<Feature name="MemoryVoltageTarget_0">
<Property name="Want_0" value="0"/>
<Property name="Want_1" value="0"/>
<Property name="Want_2" value="0"/>

I don't suppose You want the rest

Jakus · 9 Oct 2009 at 16:15

booyaka said:
Has anyone managed to use MSI to set the fan control speeds etc?

That's all it will do

CLICK THE AUTO green button in fan control

Jakus · 9 Oct 2009 at 16:18

drunkenmaster said:
just tried it, works fine, just unclick the little box that says auto on the right above the fan speed slider, change speed, and apply.

EDIT:- thanks gareth, looks like the uvd speeds are hidden somewhere then.

No idea why they aren't changing for some of us

Is that what You want to know ? Just ask

400/900, LOL I see a problem immediatly

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