** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here
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Different type of player, innit? 
Still, the Barca bias won't matter soon enough...
Still, the Barca bias won't matter soon enough...
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Different type of player, innit?
Still, the Barca bias won't matter soon enough...
Iniesta is different as from what I've seen at Barca when they play the 4-3-3 he plays up front on the left or right which in theory should mean he gets more opportunity for goals/assists but looking at the stats that clearly isn't the case. He has had an injury, but so has Fabregas at several points this season so that is no excuse. Xavi is used virtually the same as what Fabregas would be doing should he move to Barca. There is no way to defend Iniesta or Xavi from these stats, it just proves over the course of the season that Fabregas has been better than both of them.
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The difference being that Arsenal set up their team around Fabregas. He gets to control the game, being at the centre of everything. Barca don't do that. What are the international stats like in comparison?
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The stats I posted include the International stats of the whole of 2009/10 season.
2009/10 Spain stats, includes World Cup qualifiers, Friendlies and Confederations Cup games:
Fabregas: Goals 4 Assists 3 in 7 starts
Xavi: Goals 0 Assists 1 in 10 starts
Iniesta: Goals 0 Assists 1 in in 4 starts
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stats like that mean **** all.
I love Fabreagas, I think he's an excellent little player and reminds me very much of Paul Scholes.
But, at the end of the day and this is completely without being anti Arsenal or any of that ****, I would have Xavi (slightly younger version) or Iniesta over Fabregas any day of the week.
If Spain could fit Xavi/Iniesta/Alonso/Fabreagas/ and A.N.Other in the same midfield it would be ****ing immense!
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Is that because they don't support your views and are therefore irrelevant?
I agree with G|mp
Xavi and Iniesta are just real classy amazing talents. Fabregas can only get better.
Real classy amazing talents who have been out performed this season by a 23 year old playing for the 3rd best team in the EPL. So never mind the fact that this season he has proven he is better than Xavi, Iniesta AND Alonso in terms of goals and assists for both club and country you would still pick Alonso, Xavi or Iniesta? Does not compute. I don't see how he can "only get better" when he's already proved this season he has matured and is better and providing more for his team than the other 3 that I just mentioned. Alonso has 6 goals and 7 assists in 52 starts for club and country this season, the other pairs stats are further up the page if you bothered to read it. Get your own views and take your tongue out of G|mp's arse for once.
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Is that because they don't support your views and are therefore irrelevant?
No, but then the same theory would show that Darren Bent is better than Luis Fabiano, Klose, Podolski, Villa etc.
stats mean **** all.
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We are also comparing countries stats, and comparing like for like players such as these works fine. Xavi and Fabregas are two very similar players and the fact that people here are saying they would take Xavi over Fabregas are being stupid. I'm becoming a bit jaded with the whole Arsenal hating on these boards. Unless you support Man Utd or Barcelona you may as well **** off pretty much, that's the attitude of many here. The point is that Fabregas has consistently performed better than Xavi, Iniesta and even though it's irrelevant, Alonso, yet people are giving the ****test reasons possible as to why they wouldn't have Fabregas in their squad instead of these people.
"He can only get better" ? "Xavi is real classy" yes, but does he get as many goals and assists for club and country? No. Is the Spanish league as competitive as the EPL? No. So therefore Xavi plays for the best team in a two horse race and he still can't put more goals and assists up on the board when compared to Fabregas who plays a similar role for Arsenal in a much more competitive league where there is less gap between Arsenal and say Manchester City, Everton, Spurs, Villa. Not only that but the fact he has out performed Xavi for country as well, consistently, says to me that he has now gone beyond Xavi and being young as many people have stated he will only improve further.
The rabid Barca fanboyism is a joke here at times.
Other than 1 season Ineista hasn't been that amazing and I'd take Fabregas over him any day.
Xavi's more complicated though; he generally plays deeper than Fabregas does and his role is more of a pivot to Barca's play (gets it, gives it etc), where as Fabregas (in recent years) pushes forward more and looks to play the killer ball. You can't use stats alone to compare the 2 of them.
I don't understand why Spain are playing Busquets ahead of Fabregas (I know he's not directly playing in place of him); when you've got 3 cm's you can afford to get away with playing Alonso as a DM, especially against the likes of the Swiss.
That's not what you said on msn.
Xavi's more complicated though; he generally plays deeper than Fabregas does and his role is more of a pivot to Barca's play (gets it, gives it etc), where as Fabregas (in recent years) pushes forward more and looks to play the killer ball. You can't use stats alone to compare the 2 of them.
I don't understand why Spain are playing Busquets ahead of Fabregas (I know he's not directly playing in place of him); when you've got 3 cm's you can afford to get away with playing Alonso as a DM, especially against the likes of the Swiss.
I'm joking Tumster
That's not what you said on msn.
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LOL, I think you'll find no-one hates Arsenal
You do bring some of the flak on yourselves with the constant whinging (Not I'm not saying every Arsenal fan, just an unfortunate vocal minority)Crouch has a better record for England than Rooney, does that mean he's better? Stats mean next to nothing when comparing two players. There are just so many factors to take into account that saying one number is bigger = that player is better is just naive.
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LOL, I think you'll find no-one hates Arsenal
Crouch has a better record for England than Rooney, does that mean he's better? Stats mean next to nothing when comparing two players. There are just so many factors to take into account that saying one number is bigger = that player is better is just naive.
I agree with what you're saying about the stats to an extent, but I still think that the stats I posted aren't totally disregardable, if that isn't a word then it is now. I might have jumped the gun a bit with a few of my responses but I don't think that I bring anything on myself, certainly not intentionally and unlike a few people on these boards Tom84 springs to mind, I don't set out to deliberately antagonise people with my posts unlike other members here, not you, just "other" members.
At this moment in time, all things considered I'd take Fabregas over Iniesta in my team (even though Iniesta is arguably my favourite player) purely because I like how Fabregas can control a game, or have a moment of induvidual brilliance that wins a game, Iniesta obviously has the talent but never seems as ruthless as Fabregas does, I think Fabregas would win you more games over a season, boosted by the fact that Iniesta is injured a lot of the time. Interesting one with Xavi, a better player than Fabregas but obviously only has a few seasons left at this level
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It looks as if you're reading the sentiment that he can only get better as somehow diminishing him, if anything I'd read it the other way - Fabregas is already a great player and can still get better. It may appear to be a backhanded compliment but it is also a measure of how good people think he can be.
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