** Official World of Warcraft: Cataclysm Thread **

core of ripeness is still awesome apok :)

Did you level a lot via pvp, pretty much every guide i read now says to level in pvp is the way to go, you basically end up jp capped and honor capped by the time your 85 thanks to the old honor/jp conversion.

Cant earn JP till level 80 but can earn honor from level 10 *** :)

I tried that way with my last characters and levelled with PvP and dungeons until I was capped for both honor and JPs (the JPs were mainly honor converted over, as you get virtually no JP even from 80-84).

The advantages were that I could buy 3 pieces of tier 11 as soon as I got to 85, and I'd dungeoned so much that the rest of the pieces were mainly 333 blues anyways.

The disadvantages are that it is distinctly slower than questing, and, particularly for things like Therazane shoulder enchants and the Firelands dailies, you've basically gotta do all the quests in the respective zones anyway. Doing full Hyjal and Deepholm is going to give you the best part of 4 levels anyway with heirlooms and guild XP buff.
 
Yeah, much less of a problem anyway. Up from 300% to 500%. I think it's a good change, less time watching a threat meter.
 
I hope what you said about threat is nonsesne. As a warrior tank i never have problems with threat tanking raids. I have no hit or expertise either. NONE. And I still stay a good 20% over our top dps fury warrior with better ilevel gear than me. Threat is only an issue when it comes to add tanking when someone does too much damage to a mob thats meant to be aoed or when a healer is spamhealing. Its a JOKE they might as well remove it. They clearly have no idea what they are supposed to do with threat
 
Where you guys reading this info?

WoW Insider, MMO Champ etc :)

I hope what you said about threat is nonsesne. As a warrior tank i never have problems with threat tanking raids. I have no hit or expertise either. NONE. And I still stay a good 20% over our top dps fury warrior with better ilevel gear than me. Threat is only an issue when it comes to add tanking when someone does too much damage to a mob thats meant to be aoed or when a healer is spamhealing. Its a JOKE they might as well remove it. They clearly have no idea what they are supposed to do with threat

A newly geared 85 with a few epics tanking ZA / ZG may disagree with you :). As might someone who isn't as quick with their keyboard as you or I.
 
I never had any issues before I quit, pander to the lesser skilled people instead of forcing them to get better at a fairly easy game.

Yes, dumbing down of WoW, catering to casuals? Not everyone is a awesome as you :).

When some new tank steps into heroic-land and there's a ilvl 370 geared Warlock, face 6 inches from the screen, waiting for the tank to make the pull, one finger over his largest hitting spell and another finger on his "OMG U ******* NOOB TANK R U RETARD?!" macro, drooling on keyboard. That tank thinks balls to this, I'm going back to dps and everyone else sits in their 45min queues.

"Pandering to the lesser skilled", where's my giant rolleyes gif...
 
Yes, dumbing down of WoW, catering to casuals? Not everyone is a awesome as you :).

When some new tank steps into heroic-land and there's a ilvl 370 geared Warlock, face 6 inches from the screen, waiting for the tank to make the pull, one finger over his largest hitting spell and another finger on his "OMG U ******* NOOB TANK R U RETARD?!" macro, drooling on keyboard. That tank thinks balls to this, I'm going back to dps and everyone else sits in their 45min queues.

"Pandering to the lesser skilled", where's my giant rolleyes gif...

Again, never had the problem, rolleyes all you want. I'm not saying I was the best player ever but the game is what it is and that is; easy.
 
Yes, dumbing down of WoW, catering to casuals? Not everyone is a awesome as you :).

When some new tank steps into heroic-land and there's a ilvl 370 geared Warlock, face 6 inches from the screen, waiting for the tank to make the pull, one finger over his largest hitting spell and another finger on his "OMG U ******* NOOB TANK R U RETARD?!" macro, drooling on keyboard. That tank thinks balls to this, I'm going back to dps and everyone else sits in their 45min queues.

"Pandering to the lesser skilled", where's my giant rolleyes gif...

Yeah I don't even play WoW any more but I think it's quite funny when some idiot comes and says " Oh blah blah this is easy enough already, it's not hard", Yeah congratulations, you don't find a game that could be played by trained Japanese monkeys hard, you must be the son of Einstein.
 
Again, never had the problem, rolleyes all you want. I'm not saying I was the best player ever but the game is what it is and that is; easy.

You must be amazing.

As a new undergeared tank in Heroics I would have this problem all the time with warriors popping recklessness and bladestorming the very first group of trash and giving me no chance to get aggro never mind reclaim it. I've also had it with very well geared hunters and mages.

And it does put people off queueing for dungeons. Recently I've been avoiding dungeons for pretty much this sole reason and gone off to grind some reps and do daily quests.
 
You must be amazing.

As a new undergeared tank in Heroics I would have this problem all the time with warriors popping recklessness and bladestorming the very first group of trash and giving me no chance to get aggro never mind reclaim it. I've also had it with very well geared hunters and mages.

And it does put people off queueing for dungeons. Recently I've been avoiding dungeons for pretty much this sole reason and gone off to grind some reps and do daily quests.

Difficulty has nothing to do with it, the game is easy. As a new undergeared tank you're struggling to hold aggro because you don't know your prime rotation yet or even if you do your gear isn't up to holding threat against such talents as recklessness+bladestorm because you simply can't out number crunch it. It's a simple tank and spank based on simple numbers. Thats nothing to do with your skill, nor how easy or difficult the game is. It's more to do with learning your rotation though. Aoe tanking as a Warrior is ridiculously easy. Rend, Thunderclap, pop inner rage, spam cleave and you're done. Shockwave if you're feeling frisky.
 
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