'On yer bike' says Boris...
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Now you can see why (patriotic/freedom loving) American's are against nationalised healthcare and even go as far as to call it some socialist conspiracy, "here have tax payer funded healthcare it's free, oh and we need to micromanage your life like a totalitarian government from now on!".
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Also the US is a right wing **** hole at the moment that is quite quickly crashing and burning, so not a great argument.
Whilst I generally agree with what you're saying, I didn't really take in the extent of it all until last year when I did educate myself a little. It was quite a big eye opener for me and one that has changed my life. Whilst each packet does have the calories on it, I'd never really bothered checking them. Then I worked out I wanted to limit to about 2,000 calories to start losing weight... and realised the almond croissant I had every night while watching TV before bed was almost 500! I used to drink loads of semi skimmed milk, not realising one large glass was maybe 150 cals and I could easily have two or three a day. Now, I'm almost annoyed I can't look at a product without checking it's calories...
Surely your metabolism slowing with age is true? No?
Doing a quick Google I find this -
Which is interesting. I'm not sure now as partly it says your metabolism slows because you exercise less. So, if you keep exercising it wont slow? Mind you, it does also say it happens due to aging of your internal components, so I guess that bit is true?
He stated you get fatter as you get older due to the changing metabolism. That's wrong. You can counter that.
Being able to counter it doesn't mean it's not true. Drinking sugary drinks causes tooth decay doesn't become untrue because you could brush after every drink...
What a load of rubbish. It's all down to calories in Vs calories out. That's it. Eat too much or do too little excercise and you gain weight that doesn't change with age.
The age argument comes down to people being less active but eating the same or more due to boredom for instance.
Obviously baring any true medical conditions.
That's a completely different analogy, but yes it is untrue. Sugary drinks lead to tooth decay when coupled with poor dental hygiene. You only get fatter as you get older if you continue to consume too many calories. Reduce your calorific intake and you will maintain/lose weight.
they should target people who are under 25 and try to encourage them to cycle to work and then we would have future generations who commute by bicycle and get exercise that way.
when I'm outside it's not hard to notice all the young women are mostly size 12-16 these days.
okay size 12 ain't that bad but anything over it is clearly chunky and when they are that size as a young adult they will only get larger and larger as they become less active with age.
any kind of food tax is just a waste of time and nay company like cadburys shrinking projects and claiming it's to fight obesity are full of crap it's just a way to shrink a product and keep the same price to increase profits.
Metabolism does change with age, so its not rubbish.
is that actual scientific fact? you'd think your body would get less efficient and need to repair it's self more vigilantly with age.
so would use more energy to do so.
I think people underestimate how lazy they get with age compared to how active they were when young.
I lost quite a lot of weight since lock down started and that's just walking 2 miles every night.
not that I was fat really any way I'm within BMI quite comfortably maybe even almost underweight according to the NHS but I'm still a bit chubby with a belly
Of course it is, you don't get fatter as you get older due to decreasing metabolism, you get fatter because you're eating too much. If your metabolism decreases which I'm not disputing you need to eat less. Simple.
It's a bit like saying it's a cars fault for making you fat because it makes you walk less.
People just want there to be some reason other than themselves for being fat when all it boils down to is eating too much.
Again, doing something to prevent it, doesn't mean the initial thing is not true. I could consume more calories and lose weight... because I increase my exercise. One thing obviously affects the other, it doesn't mean it's not true.
2 + 2 = 4, unless you deduct 1 from it, then it's 3. It doesn't mean 2 + 2 isn't 4.
Yes, but I believe your calorific target changes as you get older, because your metabolism naturally slows, unless you change your exercise/lifestyle to counter it.
I think the main decrease is from a loss of muscle mass as a person age.
Side note: I believe there was a recommendation that old people should lift weights because the increase in online shopping meant they weren't getting strength workouts from carrying their own shopping bags.
I wonder if there's any results from what supermarkets have been doing in terms of making high sugar snacks less accessible? A lot of retailers were removing unhealthy confectionery from impulse locations such as checkouts etc.
I really don't think education is the issue here still, there's been better labelling of food in terms of macros and calories over time, plus plenty of advertisement (Change4Life) that promoted the checking of said labels and how we should strive for an hour of activity per day.
We also consume more social media than ever and there's plenty of people constantly ramming their fitness regimes down your throat (urghh, gym selfies - the epitome of a narcissist), including fitness celebrities such as Joe Wicks.
So I struggle to understand how obesity rates continue to rise when there's plenty of information and social influencing around diets, and that's before you take into account that vegetarianism and veganism are on the rise and these diets tend to be healthier (obviously not always and even vegan version of takeaway burgers can get as close to their meat variants). To me, that means there's a demand for it and it's accessible.
Take away is already relatively expensive - even cheap take away such as McDonalds (£5 for a burger, chips and drinks) can cost more per meal vs cooking homemade meals from scratch. For example: some mince, garlic, tinned tomatoes, peppers, chili powder and kidney beans can make 4 servings of basic chili con carne for less than £5 per meal.
I really don't think education is the issue here still, there's been better labelling of food in terms of macros and calories over time, plus plenty of advertisement (Change4Life) that promoted the checking of said labels and how we should strive for an hour of activity per day.
We also consume more social media than ever and there's plenty of people constantly ramming their fitness regimes down your throat (urghh, gym selfies - the epitome of a narcissist), including fitness celebrities such as Joe Wicks.
So I struggle to understand how obesity rates continue to rise when there's plenty of information and social influencing around diets, and that's before you take into account that vegetarianism and veganism are on the rise and these diets tend to be healthier (obviously not always and even vegan version of takeaway burgers can get as close to their meat variants). To me, that means there's a demand for it and it's accessible.
Take away is already relatively expensive - even cheap take away such as McDonalds (£5 for a burger, chips and drinks) can cost more per meal vs cooking homemade meals from scratch. For example: some mince, garlic, tinned tomatoes, peppers, chili powder and kidney beans can make 4 servings of basic chili con carne for less than £5 per meal.
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These figures are rubbish tho. If your tall, well built or muscly on the bmi scale you can be overweight or obese. So in reality them figures are much lower.
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I'm 5ft 10, and I can have a heavy meal and I will approaching 25 on the BMI scale.
I'm not remotely fat (I'm not ripped either!), as I compete in triathlons etc.
So yeh, BMI for individuals can be very misleading.
I'm not remotely fat (I'm not ripped either!), as I compete in triathlons etc.
So yeh, BMI for individuals can be very misleading.