Religion should still be taught in schools, but it should be made clear that it's a load of crap. Ignoring it completely would be bad, there are so many brainwashed people in the world that believe this stuff that we need to warn the kids of the crap people are going to be spewing all their life.
'Operation Trojan Horse' - jihadi plot to take over UK schools
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To be fair we don't give them a whole lot of choice in an awful lot of other indoctrinations.
Yes, they're faith schools though. The schools in question in this article are not faith schools. Two different things.
You expect religious teaching and ethics in a faith school. You do not expect religion to be forced on you in a none faith school which is exactly why the whole issue in question here exists.
It should be a choice they make as adults but then no body would make that choice and all the religions would go bankrupt.
The real Endgame would be the same as you see in Crimea. Fuelled by wars in the middle east in which European and not Muslim nations take in all the refugees they must be laughing at how much effort Europe is making to help them take over large chunks of it.
Infact weve actually supported them or attempted too in Syria,Egypt,Libya and fought thier enemies. Obama has bankrolled them as well when i can guarantee you it was not the Taliban who did 7/11 or 9/11 it was Saudi's and the Sunni we are letting into Europe to build Mosques. The same scum like Mo Ansar and the Fathers behind the School takeovers will eventually be joined by other scum like Dianne Abbot one day in opposing all our foreign policy and attempts to curb Islam. When i look around the UK i see a lot of people who want to destroy it and people who want to save it being chastised and jailed for racism. How many Mosques exist inside the UK and why do we need so many?
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If this is true and these people want their children brought up with strict Islamic values in an exclusive Islamic environment, I suggest they move to an Islamic country. There should be no tolerance for such segregation.
I went to a CofE school and didn't like the claptrap but at least I didn't feel indoctrinated. I agree that Religion should be taught to all children in an unbiased way, allowing them to make up their own minds.
I went to a CofE school and didn't like the claptrap but at least I didn't feel indoctrinated. I agree that Religion should be taught to all children in an unbiased way, allowing them to make up their own minds.
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What aload of bulls@&t where did you come up with that ?
Perhaps... or simply treat children with more respect and allow them to chose themselves...
I went to a C of E school, there was also a Catholic school in town... we still had Jews, Muslims, Sikhs etc... they were excused from the main religious assemblies because their parents worshiped a different magic sky pixie... sometimes a cleric or rabbi or some other idiot would turn up and do something with them in a meeting room or they'd be left to read in the library.
The problem is that the school didn't cater for anyone who perhaps had the common sense to realise that worshiping magic sky pixies is retarded... you only got out of the religious assemblies by opting for a different magical being to worship. That probably left a lot of children rather frustrated at having to listen to some idiot blabber, sing hymns etc.. given a genuine free choice a lot of kids would quite rightly sack it off.
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I enjoyed learning about the History of different religions during the first 3 years of high school in the compulsory RE lessons but our RE teacher was a very relaxed CofE old lady who didn't try to force any particular viewpoint on us which allowed us to decide for ourselves what to believe in.
However, in a polar opposite the High School itself made singing hymns and praying during assembly mandatory with detentions for those caught not joining in. Being forced to "fake" being religious to avoid punishment put me off all religion so much more than anything the RE teacher said or did and it was so hated by the vast silent majority of the schools pupils that it probably put more pupils off RE as well.
However, in a polar opposite the High School itself made singing hymns and praying during assembly mandatory with detentions for those caught not joining in. Being forced to "fake" being religious to avoid punishment put me off all religion so much more than anything the RE teacher said or did and it was so hated by the vast silent majority of the schools pupils that it probably put more pupils off RE as well.
Don't know about you guys but when I'm thinking 'balanced and reasoned discussion of cross-cultural issues in GD' I'm thinking bitslice
In case you hadn't noticed I haven't posted in this thread;
partly because I haven't anything to add and partly because I'm so ****ed off with certain poster's mod immunity.
I can't even say 'womble' in here without a pooload of mods jumping all over me and making a big deal about how much power they have, yet posters like you can make snide little remarks day in day out and still be ****ing untouchable.
Trolling for a reaction used to be worth an infraction, personal abuse used to be worth an infraction, yet you lot ponce about in these threads without a single opinion between the lot of you, posting nothing but personal attacks.
I wouldn't mind if you popped up in other forums to help out other people but you are just fracking parasites. I think the next time someone has an Electronics question I might just point them right back at the mod team because I'm starting to not give a Burnsey about contributing anything back in here.
Go **** yourself
It's in two parts, without both it all falls apart at some point anyway.
1: Sound parenting. I didn't say good or bad, how people raise their kids is up to them but "sound" parenting seems the most neutral word to use. In an ideal world without bias children would be raised to acknowledge and accept the existence or other beliefs and if their own origin belief is different to what they're learning about in school it doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong.
Growing up all round we'd see a lot of kids from various backgrounds being pulled out of religious studies by their parents because they didn't want the kids to learn about other religions, this is what I mean and that isn't sound parenting.
2: Sound teaching. Teachers have a hard time as it is but I think RE teachers have the hardest task yet. How do you spend a term teaching kids about the historical significance of any religion when some of them aren't even allowed to attend?
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Historical significance?
Religion causes wars.
Easy.
Religion causes wars.
Easy.
Well at least you aren't trying to hide your agenda. That's a great example of militant atheism right there. You also want the state to take on traditional parental roles.
Now I agree that school is not the place for teaching religion. RE was always a complete waste of time, as was General Studies.
But to ban children from religious buildings and services will not happen. Are you going to pay for the childcare facilities needed when the parents are practicing their religion?
Actually I suspect such a move is just designed to make it difficult for everyone to practice any kind of religion. Basically this is state-sponsored atheism.
Why am I finding that you have some good points there?!