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Think a nerve was touched here
I was looking forward to some feisty on-topic debate and soapbox rhetoric. All I got was 'O me miserum'.
'Operation Trojan Horse' - jihadi plot to take over UK schools
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I was looking forward to some feisty on-topic debate and soapbox rhetoric. All I got was 'O me miserum'.
It's interesting that so many people here think there's something sinister about CofE and Catholic schools, like because there are so many of them it's a deliberate programme to indoctrinate the nation's youth. However if you look back in history, the reason why there are so many Christian schools in this country are because back in the days when only rich kids when to school, it was the Churches that decided that all children should be educated - to learn the joys of reading, 'riting, and 'rithmatic. Thus they set up the first schools available to poor kids in Britain.
On the subject of indoctrination, if you look at the successful indoctrination programmes run by cults or political extremist organisations, they typically involve isolation, depravation (of food, sunlight, stimulation etc), abuse and impairment of autonomy. I don't think that is remotely similar to a 30 minute assembly with a "broadly Christian" moral theme.
On the subject of indoctrination, if you look at the successful indoctrination programmes run by cults or political extremist organisations, they typically involve isolation, depravation (of food, sunlight, stimulation etc), abuse and impairment of autonomy. I don't think that is remotely similar to a 30 minute assembly with a "broadly Christian" moral theme.
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This highlights the dangers here: when does unbiased towards any religion become bias towards atheism ?
In one of these schools a non Muslim head teacher expelled a Muslim child for threatening other children with a knife.
The govenors who are Muslims allowed him back in to the school. The real reason for this is because he was a Muslim and his family was known to he governors.
The teachers at the school refused to teach him and the head teacher and governor relationship broke down.
Ofstead said that this was causing problems and the head teacher left.
Who is in the wrong here. The whole thing is now being investigated now so won't go any further.
The govenors who are Muslims allowed him back in to the school. The real reason for this is because he was a Muslim and his family was known to he governors.
The teachers at the school refused to teach him and the head teacher and governor relationship broke down.
Ofstead said that this was causing problems and the head teacher left.
Who is in the wrong here. The whole thing is now being investigated now so won't go any further.
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Think a nerve was touched here
No kidding there but to be fair this thread does have all they keywords for bitslice:
Muslims / Islam
Conspiracy
Taking over
Children
Obviously we are still waiting to know if the letter is real or not ......
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Surely there are moral/social themes common to all religions that can be used in assemblies: "Be considerate of others", "Work hard", "Honesty is best", etc.
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I think the essence of the argument is that the people behind what has been mentioned are using subterfuge to gain a foothold in the schools. If a parent applies to a CofE school they broadly know what their child will be taught. Applying to one of the schools mentioned could see their child being taught values that they did not envisage.
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Don't schools have boards of governers, with independent members, to avoid unilateral policy-making ?
That is just human morality and it is older than any religion, if it wasn't, we would not be here.
I'm all for teaching kids morality in schools but teach them how to think and not what to think. I'm all for teaching kids critical thinking and the value of evidence.
Religions should be explained, all of them, but teaching a child in a school environment that a supernatural being exists is not something that sits comfortably with me, no matter how it is dressed up.
Hasn't read the thread.
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That's pretty concerning...only the Full Governing Body can make a decision to direct the reinstatement of an excluded pupil. The FGB is composed not only of parents but local authority, community, teaching staff, headteacher. Not sure how the FGB could have been subverted by a group of parents.
This is from knowledge in the area in which I am a parent governor....this area may be different I don't know.
Yes, exactly. I'm assuming this area works to the same framework is mine (York)
Absolutely, I hate him, govist reforms have ruined my kids school which was best in the area when my eldest started and now is third, cheap supply teachers who don't know their subject while wasting money on buildings which will make the school more attractive to profiteers when they're sold for knock down prices.
Me too, but it's pretty clear I'd be banned if I participate - it's their forum, they can censor debate if it means that much to them.
Anyway, the thread speaks for itself, Islamic culture is fundementally corrosive.
See, this is the kind of utter BS I take issue with, he's not here to make a point, he's just here to charactor assassinate someone who isn't even taking part in the thread!
He doesn't even have to prove any of this BS, ("Conspiracy"', "Taking over" - just idiotic nonsense), he can just trot it out as a smear and run away.
What am I supposed to say when the mods happily turn a blind eye?
If I infer he's a womble I get infracted, that's how it works in here.
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And yet they have apparently not ruined the other two schools. Failure of leadership and governance at this one school I suspect.
No it doesn't. Or at least, nowhere near as often as it is blamed. Pretty much every so-called "religious" war is actually about something else - usually the old classics: land, resources, money or power. Or any combination. Religion makes a fine recruiting tool, and an great way of stoking up hostility - witness the reactions here to a probably fake Muslim (with the emphasis on Muslim) plot. But that is not what such wars are about. To take a classic example, the conflict in Israel is about land and resources, not religion.
In this case a couple of things spring to mind:
"Operation Trojan Horse". Seriously? I would expect a radical Islamic plotter to give the plot an Islamic name, not that one. And I'd expect a serious plotter to give the operation a name utterly unrelated to the operation itself. That's a name I'd expect a not particularly bright Westerner to give to a plot, particularly if they wanted to shout "plot" really loudly. This is most likely a bit of ****-stirring from a Right-wing group of locals. The only question is whether they believe it themselves.
Also, as I said, the magic word here is "Muslim". There are a number of Christian academies trying to bring in fundamentalist Christianity, but no-one seems to care much about that.
or you could argue that some religions (such as Christianity and Islam) were designed to control populations
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or you could argue this thread was doomed from the start and is going no where
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It isn't a character assassination. He associates you with this type of thread. No big deal.
On topic, I'm pretty sure these power games happen in schools, colleges, and universities across the country. We just need robust systems in place to make it impossible for school policy to be steamrollered by any group.