'Operation Trojan Horse' - jihadi plot to take over UK schools

Stolly said:
And yet they have apparently not ruined the other two schools. Failure of leadership and governance at this one school I suspect.
Click to expand...

Failure of the head team and their early and complete enactment of all of goves proposals which the other two are fighting tooth and nail.
 
do_ron_ron said:
Brought about by that **** Gove. The man is a danger to education in this country.
Click to expand...

As I am currently working in education I am aware of just how unpopular Gove is amongst teaching staff, however I am not entirely sure how this particular problem (if it even exists) can be blamed on him?
 
thep02 said:
Failure of the head team and their early and complete enactment of all of goves proposals which the other two are fighting tooth and nail.
Click to expand...

Again, I can't see where the reforms have stated schools have to hire poor supply teachers and spend all their budget on buildings. By all means be against Gove, be against the education reforms, but at least blame him for the things he actually does rather than anything that goes wrong in a school.

Thankfully Labour have said they will reverse all of the education changes brought in...ah no, they have actually said they will keep them, that's a surprise!
 
Meridian said:
No it doesn't. Or at least, nowhere near as often as it is blamed. Pretty much every so-called "religious" war is actually about something else - usually the old classics: land, resources, money or power. Or any combination. Religion makes a fine recruiting tool, and an great way of stoking up hostility - witness the reactions here to a probably fake Muslim (with the emphasis on Muslim) plot. But that is not what such wars are about. To take a classic example, the conflict in Israel is about land and resources, not religion.

In this case a couple of things spring to mind:


"Operation Trojan Horse". Seriously? I would expect a radical Islamic plotter to give the plot an Islamic name, not that one. And I'd expect a serious plotter to give the operation a name utterly unrelated to the operation itself. That's a name I'd expect a not particularly bright Westerner to give to a plot, particularly if they wanted to shout "plot" really loudly. This is most likely a bit of ****-stirring from a Right-wing group of locals. The only question is whether they believe it themselves.

Also, as I said, the magic word here is "Muslim". There are a number of Christian academies trying to bring in fundamentalist Christianity, but no-one seems to care much about that.
Click to expand...

Well said if everyone followed there religions there would be peace in this world, the problem lies with governments or people who use religion as power and twist it words look at Palestine for example there were Muslims, Jew & Christians living in peace for many years before 1948 I'm not saying it was perfect, but it was a hell of a lot better than it is now.

This is why religious education should be taught in schools to show children what these different religions really teach and not the crap you watch on TV or listen to media. If someone commits a crime and is from Islamic background the media jumps on it, and the less educated people about Islam believe all Muslims are bad they belive in criminal acts, we've seen it before with the Germans, the African Americans, the Irish im guessing the Chinese will be next.
 
Last edited:
Azza said:
Yep but when certain members are possibly corrupt and have certain agendas then it doesn't really matter.
Click to expand...

It would have to be more than "certain" governors....all the parent governors conspiring in some sort of plot i can just about grasp...but the staff governor ? Head ? Local Authority ?

I'd love to know more details on this....its worrying....
 
I think an unbiased religion lessons should be taught in schools. But I don't agree with kids singing religious songs or praying in assemblies. If I remember rightly there was a debate recently and schools are apparently still legally required to have Christian prayers every day.

I also think its fine for the kids to celebrate Christmas and put up decorations etc but I also think its important to teach them of other religious festivals such as Eid, Hanukkah etc.
 
Last edited:
do_ron_ron said:
Brought about by that **** Gove. The man is a danger to education in this country.
Click to expand...

thep02 said:
Absolutely, I hate him, govist reforms have ruined my kids school which was best in the area when my eldest started and now is third, cheap supply teachers who don't know their subject while wasting money on buildings which will make the school more attractive to profiteers when they're sold for knock down prices.
Click to expand...

Yet Labour has said they won't reverse his changes.
 
OldCoals said:
Yet Labour has said they won't reverse his changes.
Click to expand...

Quite right! Michael Gove is doing a brilliant job reforming the education system in this country.

Why should failing schools be allowed to continue to educate our children and a poor level? We've got a couple of really good academies in my area and I think if a schools failing their students I don't see what's wrong with it becoming an academy.

He's doing a brilliant job with the curriculum. I was in a primary school the other day and kids are now getting taught how to code learning important skills. Kids no longer need to be taught how to use Internet Explorer or Microsoft Word, it is something they now use every day. You've got lots kids coming into nursery who already know how to use the internet and tablets.
 
Last edited:
Storm3y said:
Quite right! Michael Gove is doing a brilliant job reforming the education system in this country.

Why should failing schools be allowed to continue to educate our children and a poor level? We've got a couple of really good academies in my area and I think if a schools failing their students I don't see what's wrong with it becoming an academy.

He's doing a brilliant job with the curriculum. I was in a primary school the other day and kids are now getting taught how to code learning important skills. Kids no longer need to be taught how to use Internet Explorer or Microsoft Word, it is something they now use every day. You've got lots kids coming into nursery who already know how to use the internet and tablets.
Click to expand...

I have to agree...teaching kids how to use Word is no more teaching them how about IT than teaching them how to use a typewriter taught them to be mechanical engineers 50 years ago....
 
No1newts said:
+1

If people want to believe in sky fairies fair enough but shouldn't be forced down children's throats.
Click to expand...

This. I strongly feel that conversion to a religion should be a decision made at maturity/majority age e.g. 16 or 17. Similar to when you're allowed to drive, play the lottery, leave/continue education, leave home, start a family and so on. A belief system shouldn't be forced on minors. RE as a humanities subject is fine as long as it's taught by someone who doesn't belong to a belief system to give it a more neutral viewpoint.

regulus said:
Anyway, by now Craterloads must be in this thread (only read the first few posts) calling everyone 'racist' :D
Click to expand...

I'm automatically racist too because I slammed religion, even though I haven't remotely referred to the pigmentation in one's skin in my posts :p
 
Stolly said:
Word maybe, but a web browser ? Its as much as part of a child's life as a TV remote control.....
Click to expand...

You would be surprised at just how little some children know when they are meant to be the generation that are "digital natives". Then you have the issue that they may have been taught to use the software by someone that has no real idea how to use it themselves. The number of people whose first port of call for pretty much anything they need to produce on a computer is PowerPoint is quite depressing.
 
No1newts said:
+1

If people want to believe in sky fairies fair enough but shouldn't be forced down children's throats.
Click to expand...

People have the choice to go to CofE or Catholic or non faith schools they're not forced to go there. If they have better education but you're vehemently non religious, then find another school.

People should be able to offer their children an education with religious guidance if they should want.
 
hardkore said:
All religion is designed to do is give people a certain direction in life and a moral compass between right and wrong.
Click to expand...

I disagree.

It is designed to control people, traditionally by fear of consequences for not living/acting in accordance with God's prescribed ethics/morality (Ethics and morality that have existed in mankind for centuries that have been hijacked by religion, I might add).

Do as God tells you and you get rewarded (after life, heaven etc).

Don't do as God tells you, then you suffer his wrath (death, disease, hell etc).

So on and so forth.

You do not, in any way, need religion to have a sound moral compass.

Regarding the OP - this does not surprise me if it is true, nor would it surprise me if nothing is done about it. The faith of Islam in this country is currently afforded immunity from all critique, and if anyone should dare they are branded as racists. Which I find amusing since it is a religion not a race. :rolleyes:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom