Over 1000 dead and rising as 50'c+ Heatwave hits Hajj in Saudi Arabia

A2Z said:
No sympathy whatsoever, these fools are choosing to do this walk for no logical reason, just 'religion', as if it's important, let alone more important than your own health.
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During Ramadan muslims are not allowed to eat or drink during daylight hours. You can imagine how dangerous that is if you have a physically demanding job or are elderly in a hot country. Religious traditions can be very damaging.
 
Penfold101 said:
I can prove alcohol exists and has a measurable effect on whoever drinks it.

God(s) achieve neither of these, thus religion is one of the more dumber ways to waste your life.

Alcohol is also a dumb way to waste it, but at least it’s real.
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No you can't prove or disprove anything.

Because you can't even prove with 100% certainty that our reality is real which makes everything everyone does dumb and pointless.

All you can do is just to show some compassion, that is all.
 
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Maple Leaf said:
During Ramadan muslims are not allowed to eat or drink during daylight hours. You can imagine how dangerous that is if you have a physically demanding job or are elderly in a hot country. Religious traditions can be very damaging.
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As always there are exceptions to everything, and Ramadan is no different in that you actually can eat and/or drink for many various reasons (the two you mention above are included), rather than it being a blanket ban. However, its still upto the individual to decide what to do, and quite a few I worked with in the aviation world (which is exempt if req'd) still preferred to adhere to their Fast and, as such, accommodations around work hours etc had to be made for them for everyone's safety.
 
Tykey said:
Why would I spend eternity in hell?
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Because you've not led a religious life so when you die you are sent to the bad place. It's a binary choice in religion.
Ignorance doesn't help.

I suspect to believers god will "exist" as their brains are dying and the last flickers of electric life will produce some hallucination of an afterlife to desperately comfort them before becoming absolutely nothing but dead meat.

Maybe that's worth 80 years or blind indoctrination?

Guess I'll find out one day.
 
Efour said:
Because you've not led a religious life so when you die you are sent to the bad place. It's a binary choice in religion.
Ignorance doesn't help.

I suspect to believers god will "exist" as their brains are dying and the last flickers of electric life will produce some hallucination of an afterlife to desperately comfort them before becoming absolutely nothing but dead meat.

Maybe that's worth 80 years or blind indoctrination?

Guess I'll find out one day.
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Imagine if you spent your whole life as a Christian only to find out the Incas had it right all along - awkward AF.

 
Efour said:
Because you've not led a religious life so when you die you are sent to the bad place. It's a binary choice in religion.
Ignorance doesn't help.

I suspect to believers god will "exist" as their brains are dying and the last flickers of electric life will produce some hallucination of an afterlife to desperately comfort them before becoming absolutely nothing but dead meat.

Maybe that's worth 80 years or blind indoctrination?

Guess I'll find out one day.
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I should've added that I hope a God exists that isn't a God in the traditional sense like what Muslims believe in etc, so non believers do not go to hell.

If there is a God I don't think it'll be like what the religions portray it to be. I think it'll be something we can't even comprehend. I think of it this way, like bacteria being so relatively simple, have no concept of us relatively complex in comparison humans, I think we are too simple to comprehend and understand a God.

I think Christians saying that God is a he and went around creating the world a few 1000 years ago is total waffle. These things were thought up when science didn't know any better. But I do think there's a possibility of a "God", I couldn't begin to describe it, and I hope it exists.
 
Tykey said:
I should've added that I hope a God exists that isn't a God in the traditional sense like what Muslims believe in etc, so non believers do not go to hell.

If there is a God I don't think it'll be like what the religions portray it to be. I think it'll be something we can't even comprehend. I think of it this way, like bacteria being so relatively simple, have no concept of us relatively complex in comparison humans, I think we are too simple to comprehend and understand a God.

I think Christians saying that God is a he and went around creating the world a few 1000 years ago is total waffle. These things were thought up when science didn't know any better. But I do think there's a possibility of a "God", I couldn't begin to describe it, and I hope it exists.
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So pretty much Deism.

I have no problem with this actually, as long as it doesn’t interfere with how people choose to live their lives.
 
Penfold101 said:
If nothing is real then neither is compassion, or this forum, or you.
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They are real to us from our perception. Their belief is also real to them and the pain their family and friends feel from their passing is also real to them. Their god to them is as real as a pint of beer is to you.

All the the answers to serious questions regarding the nature of our reality, the universe ,where we came from still completely ellude us. You might think you're smarter because you don't believe in the guy from the sky above but you're still as dumb, ignorant and selfish as every human on this planet.

If there are any people that dont deserve any sympathy and compassion it's the ones that mock the dead during a tragedy.
 
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NZXT30 said:
They are real to us from our perception. Their belief is also real to them and the pain their family and friends feel from their passing is also real to them. Their god to them is as real as a pint of beer is to you.

All the the answers to serious questions regarding the nature of our reality, the universe ,where we came from still completely ellude us. You might think you're smarter because you don't believe in the guy from the sky above but you're still as dumb, ignorant and selfish as every human on this planet.

If there are any people that dont deserve any sympathy and compassion it's the ones that mock the dead during a tragedy.
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The difference is that I KNOW I don’t have answers as to the origin of the universe and how it all works. I’m not claiming that I do, but that’s exactly what religion does whilst making people do silly things because of it whilst threatening them with consequences in the afterlife.

Compared to the people who believe such nonsense and take actions based on it which ends in their (completely unavoidable) death, yes I do believe I am a smarter primate with a slightly better monkey brain.
 
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