And this is why a ridiculous amount of the 'aid' is actually unaccountable.
Oxfam sex debacle
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And this is why a ridiculous amount of the 'aid' is actually unaccountable.
I live in India pretty much most of the year, and most of the professionals in my circle had no idea that the UK provided aid.
It would be interesting to know what projects or people this aid 'helps' because over here with the size of the country and the out of control population figure, its hard to see it.
I want to come back to this comment again actually, as it is one that is frequently brought up and completely misses the point.
To get a poor underdeveloped country to become one that can stand on its own two feet requires investment and ultimately their own self sustaining economy. Now the Space Industry is an area where the money invested in has a multiplier for the economic benefits out. It is estimated that every $ the US spent on their space race returned 8 - 10$ into the economy. This is through the highly skilled industry required, patents and technologies that you can then sell to the rest of the world.
The analogy is, the foreign aid is giving them a fish to feed them for a day, the space programme is them building a fishing rod to feed themselves every day.
I don't need to see links - foreign aid to Africa plus many other parts of the world has failed to lift countries out of poverty. Until corruption can be tackled nothing will change.
The current government in India is really trying to tackle the corruption problem over here, but quite honestly its too difficult to digest the magnitude of it. Literally everyone is involved, its cultural.
BJP supporters will tell you that Modi's demonitization drive tackled black money.....and it did for about 3 months.....after that its been business as usual for India.
The gap between the rich and the poor here is staggering.
The poor literally have sweet FA, nothing, diddly squat, whilst the rich have a mountain of money at their disposal.
One of my businesses deals in migration over here, and one element is business investment visas over to Australia, Canada and the US etc. These typically require 100s of thousands of pounds. I have no shortage of clients for these.
Which is fine, but can you provide details of one single underdeveloped nation that has developed its own space programme which has then seen levels of poverty drop significantly? It doesn't happen in highly developed countries, let alone poor places...
Which is fine, but can you provide details of one single underdeveloped nation that has developed its own space programme which has then seen levels of poverty drop significantly? It doesn't happen in highly developed countries, let alone poor places...
I wasn't trying to create a direct link between a space programme and curing poverty though. Just that spending money in developing areas of highly skilled technology and research will pay dividends, so the country will become richer overall.
That wealth can then be used to improve the infrastructure of the country (which is happening) and slowly bring the average development of the country up (which is happening). As you point out though, no country has or will ever erradicate all their problems, and with somewhere like India, with it's billion + people and massive levels of poverty, it is going to take a long time to tackle their issues to any reasonable amount.
Or alternatively the improving Indian economy could be due to vast swathes of the western world outsourcing labour to them, rather than because of their space programme.
Absolutely, it's no one thing, I wasn't trying to infer it was
I'm just pointing out why investing into a space programme isn't the obvious 'waste of money when you have poor people in your country' point of view people put forward
You're just arguing against something different. Why did you quote me?
It's not entirely true either, but my post was about effective donations and you quoted me to talk about foreign aid?
Kind of sickening that this seems another case of someone leaving a high profile post under a cloud/in disgrace and popups up in another one (OK anyone could have allegations directed at them that might not be true) and yet again after the original incident with Oxfam the person here left to go to another high profile post elsewhere 
See this all the time in retail, etc. CEO drives one company into the ground yet gets hired at another big one almost immediately, repeat.
See this all the time in retail, etc. CEO drives one company into the ground yet gets hired at another big one almost immediately, repeat.
And Councils. You practically have to have driven three previous councils to bankruptcy to be considered for the role.Kind of sickening that this seems another case of someone leaving a high profile post under a cloud/in disgrace and popups up in another one (OK anyone could have allegations directed at them that might not be true) and yet again after the original incident with Oxfam the person here left to go to another high profile post elsewhere
See this all the time in retail, etc. CEO drives one company into the ground yet gets hired at another big one almost immediately, repeat.
clearly unaccepatable, but the UK press seem to be blind to the fact that same issues has also been sadly raised for Medecins sans frontieres too
Abus sexuels: Médecins sans frontières a identifié 24 cas dans ses rangs en 2017
BBC interviews (News 6) with Oxfam worldwide director also ridiculous, as the interviewer asks her can she guarantee no offenders remain.
(also, already commented on, and not a charity, but for the UN UN chief Antonio Guterres urges governments to develop protocol for peacekeepers in light of sex crimes )
.... so there is a pattern, multiple similar situations where this behaviour occurs.
Abus sexuels: Médecins sans frontières a identifié 24 cas dans ses rangs en 2017
BBC interviews (News 6) with Oxfam worldwide director also ridiculous, as the interviewer asks her can she guarantee no offenders remain.
(also, already commented on, and not a charity, but for the UN UN chief Antonio Guterres urges governments to develop protocol for peacekeepers in light of sex crimes )
.... so there is a pattern, multiple similar situations where this behaviour occurs.
There appears to be an agenda by some to damage Oxfam as well as other aid charities. We live in societies that now have knee jerk reactions and borderline hysteria to almost any event. I firmly believe both social media and rolling news bears a big responsibllity for much of this.
Murdered MP's widower Brendan Cox quits charities http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43101434
So are charity workers the new 70s pop stars?
So are charity workers the new 70s pop stars?
It does amuse me slightly re: how rampant this sort of stuff is in the entertainment sector, charity sector etc..etc.. two many people with a god complex or inflated impression of themselves/sense of self worth etc..
sure we're supposed to believe that bankers etc.. are all evil ****s but, though there are of course issues there and the occasional legal case, they generally know not to get themselves in trouble over this sort of thing...
so why does nasa have such a difficult time getting their budgets? and can't get funding for anything exicting since the moon landings