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Exactly. And they've called me the racist in the past.
Oxfam sex debacle
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Personally I have no problem with these guys using the services of a prostitute if :
a)The girls were not underage
b)There is no sign of sex trafficking etc
c)There is no sign of coercion of duress by the client or a third party (i.e a pimp)
The feasibility and viability of anyone performing 'due diligence is the basis of the legal classification of the 'oldest profession' . Its a risky profession.
However despite ticking the above boxes whatever anyone's personal opinion using a prostitute has a negative stigma attached to it. It is seen as being seedy and part of the underbelly of society. One of those taboos we just don't do, and if you do, you don't go talking about it. Any guy who uses a prostitute has no reason to moan if society judges him for using one if he gets exposed. He would be aware of the perception and he took the risk and rolled the dice and it didn't pay off.
I do have a problem with one thing, these guys were there on company business. Downtime or not, while they are away from home on a trip which is completely funded by their company (flights, hotel, food, drink etc) they are representing THEIR company even if they are technically enjoying some rest and relaxation. Sure they might have paid for the sex with their own money, but the fact remains that they were there to do a job. Its simply not acceptable to bring their company's name (let alone a reputable charity) into disrepute by attaching it to the stigma of prostitution.
My personal belief is that if any of these guys had been caught doing this in the UK, I don't think it would have been a story.
a)The girls were not underage
b)There is no sign of sex trafficking etc
c)There is no sign of coercion of duress by the client or a third party (i.e a pimp)
The feasibility and viability of anyone performing 'due diligence is the basis of the legal classification of the 'oldest profession' . Its a risky profession.
However despite ticking the above boxes whatever anyone's personal opinion using a prostitute has a negative stigma attached to it. It is seen as being seedy and part of the underbelly of society. One of those taboos we just don't do, and if you do, you don't go talking about it. Any guy who uses a prostitute has no reason to moan if society judges him for using one if he gets exposed. He would be aware of the perception and he took the risk and rolled the dice and it didn't pay off.
I do have a problem with one thing, these guys were there on company business. Downtime or not, while they are away from home on a trip which is completely funded by their company (flights, hotel, food, drink etc) they are representing THEIR company even if they are technically enjoying some rest and relaxation. Sure they might have paid for the sex with their own money, but the fact remains that they were there to do a job. Its simply not acceptable to bring their company's name (let alone a reputable charity) into disrepute by attaching it to the stigma of prostitution.
My personal belief is that if any of these guys had been caught doing this in the UK, I don't think it would have been a story.
The big problem with this sort of case is that much of the political left has a very selective morality based not on the action, but on the politics of those involved in it. Hence the different response to the presidents club dinner vs this case, or the response to John mcdonnell advocating that a female tory mp should be lynched, or the reaction to antisemitism within the labour party.
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Race, who mentioned race?
Indeed,
Consider the alternative scenario should, say, detectives sent abroad to further the McCann investigation been caught out behaving in a similar manner in their "Off Time" on a nice sunny beach somewhere.
That would have been totally unacceptable too, "Own Money" and "Off Time" doesn't come into it....
They were sent there to do a job. A few drinks after work to wind down before going to bed is one thing, sneaking a party holiday on the side is another thing altogether.
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Your blaming the left for this?
I feel as though people are being deliberately obtuse with this as they have a hate boner for the 'left' and sjw. Despite this not really having anything to do with either.
I feel it really was pretty simple for oxfam to avoid this.
All they literally had to do was get rid they knew.
From a business point of view, you know being a charity is tough. And bad 1 piece of bag news can destroy you no matter how much good you do. You know the world is like this. You know how social media works.
It's irrelevant to oxfam if it's right or wrong. It's bad image, and image is everything for a charity.
Why did they not act and sort this out?
All they literally had to do was get rid they knew.
From a business point of view, you know being a charity is tough. And bad 1 piece of bag news can destroy you no matter how much good you do. You know the world is like this. You know how social media works.
It's irrelevant to oxfam if it's right or wrong. It's bad image, and image is everything for a charity.
Why did they not act and sort this out?
Your blaming the left for this?
That is all that Dolph does. "Labour, Labour, labour..."
Just like most, they never thought they’d be caught. Only sorry once they’ve been caught.
Your blaming the left for this?
Not for the act, but the way it is being handled and excused in the media, both press and social. (see my earlier post comparing the guardian editorials on the presidents club and oxfam).
There is massive hypocrisy visible on the approach to acts based on other factors.
So are you saying there are no prostitutes in rich countries where people aren't starving?
All my lifetime (some sixty plus years) the west has been pumping billions and billions of pounds/dollars in aid into Africa and many other poor countries. Sadly not a lot appears to change. The money is often diverted to corrupt individuals/governments or gets spent on arms where we have one conflict after another whilst they let their people starve.
We pump a lot of aid money into India and yet they can afford to spend serious amounts of cash on a 'space programme', something we ourselves can't afford. Am I missing something?
John McDonnell did not advocate what you claim. You really should research your facts better. Why you think this is a left versus right issue has me completely mystified.
Hahahahaha Dolph never stops with Labour!
Conservative thread - check
Labour thread - obviously a check
Donald Trump thread - a late to the show check recently
Oxfam thread - check
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The Dept for International Development stopped it's funding programme for India at the end of 2015
Though other Depts do still use money for projects involving India, like funding to Universities for research. And not all of it gets spent in India, as Loughborough Uni received 0.5 Mil for a research project on environmental improvements of Indian homes for example.
Yup, I was talking about making effective donations to charities.