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5ingh

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Did anyone just watch this?

Basically it was about mainly Englands hooligans (as well as others) and what they got up to. I'm of Indian origin, born and bread here in England, England fan. Watching it has left a bitter taste in my mouth to be honest. How can people do this. The police was meant to be 'well prepared' but as shown in the documentary banned hooligans got into Germany without any problems.

Its funny how the media percieved the English fans as one of the best and clearly ignored the hooliganism going on in the background.

Can't the ***** have their passports ripped up or something. I even saw a granny singing about bombs being dropped in Germany...

Your views?
 
I am waiting for the follow up programme that showed how the vast majority of England fans who went out there had a fantastic time and laughed and drank and sang with supporters from all over the world as I did when I was out there. Somehow I don't think I will see it though.
 
Yup, i'm Scottish and its always the running joke that while we are crap at footy the English are a bunch of mindless thugs.

The truth being that there are far worse antics going on week in week out. The Italian ect are are more of a handfull these days but it looks as tho the English fans will be painted as the scum of the earth for a while yet . The British media helps convey this and jumps at the opertunity to show the few muppets as the acts of a nation.

English fans in the past have gained the reputation as a bunch of prats. Its slowly dissapearing tho. This years efforts showed them in a better light.
 
I was out there as well for 3 weeks and hardly saw any violence.
In fact there were many positive things done out in Germany by EF, cricket matches, penalty shootouts and visits to local schools to name a few.

Besides, if the BBC's reporters had really been bothered about it they would have shopped them before it all kicked off, but good tv this doesn't make :mad:
People have also been offered cash and beer before by members of the press to actually do stupid things that the press can then photograph and use to label EF as thugs, etc.

I have followed England all over and it is only on rare occassions that I see any form of violence. In fact, due to the "Hooligan" tag that we are lumbered with, foreign police would rather club us with a truncheon than try and amicably resolve a situation.
I have seen women and children being hit by Danish police and all because their security measures made things dangerous and people started to panic. :mad: :mad:

Don't tar us all with the same brush.
99% of English fans out there enjoyed the hospitality of the German people and made many new friends without any trouble at all. Again, it doesn't make as watchable tv as a bunch of goons launching chairs all over the shop.
 
fullspizz said:
Don't tar us all with the same brush.
99% of English fans out there enjoyed the hospitality of the German people and made many new friends without any trouble at all. Again, it doesn't make as watchable tv as a bunch of goons launching chairs all over the shop.
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Sorry, I wasn't generalising all English fans as hooligans mate. My post was focused on the bad side. It had German and Polish hooligans too. Its the first time I've seen how hooliganism 'in practice', and I'm shocked how out of order these people can be.
 
Every country has their hooligans. It's just that you see ours on TV! It isn't just the English!!!!!

What are your feelings on the German and Polish Hooligans????
 
5ingh said:
Sorry, I wasn't generalising all English fans as hooligans mate. My post was focused on the bad side.
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Personally i think you was jumping on the same band wagon the press were on trying to whip up news out of nothing.
Watching that show last night it looked as if he had to go out of his way to find violence, then when he did it was just scuffles.
English hooliganism is a fraction of what it was and usually these days English are only involved when attacked by others. The german police did nothing to avoid trouble and didn't even split up the group on the stairs.
The English were there to watch football but odviously congregate together. Letting any other groups near them is asking for trouble especially when they sell so much alcohol for such cheap prices.
I could go out in any town and find some thug to stand in frront of a camera mouthing off whilst he is drunk.

That reporter should be Shot for misrepresenting English fans.
****** ***** needs a ******* good ********. :p
 
What are your feelings on the German and Polish Hooligans????
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They didn't show much of them but they were bad too. They weren't singing any racist/out of order songs though. Well they didn't show it on the TV anyway. All hooligans are bad as each other!


malc30 said:
Personally i think you was jumping on the same band wagon the press were on trying to whip up news out of nothing.
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Ah yes, maybe everyone should ignore them and let them do as they wish. The good news is that hopefully the ones captured by the camera will be blacklisted (or something) but that didn't stop some from getting in.
 
Watching this made me ashamed to be English.

The incident with the Turk made me sick. They launched an unprovoked attack on him leading him to lose his glasses. The bloke seemed so helpless without them. :( :mad:

They're the scum of the earth. The incident where they mistook the Tunisian flag for a Turkish one just about sums them up....un-educated losers with no purpose in their lives! I can't have this argument that a lot of them are well educated.
 
lol talk about reactionary... oh no a few hooligans in germany time to be ashamed of who we are... lol...

forever looking at the bad aspects of this country instead of the good.. nothing is ever good enough for the english
 
fozzybear said:
Watching this made me ashamed to be English.

The incident with the Turk made me sick.
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Well at least we didn't stab him to death a, which is what a Galatasiri (SP?) supporter would have done to one of ours in the same situation.

What makes me laugh is that all the English were in one place having a drink and a laugh. Anyone that got abused odviously went to the area the English were congregated.
All the fights i saw were started by others and then the English steamed in.

All this ashamed to be English crap makes me sick. If you are ashamed then **** off out the country then.

Personally i am ashamed of our press and ashamed of the weak lilly livered wimps that jump on any sensationalist rubbish.
GROW YOUR OWN MINDS.
 
Samtheman1k said:
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you mean? :confused:
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What was the point of your post then? The way you editted my quote makes me contradict myself. Or have I have misunderstood you :confused:
 
5ingh said:
What was the point of your post then? The way you editted my quote makes me contradict myself. Or have I have misunderstood you :confused:
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I was highlighting the fact that what you see on TV is designed & presented in a way to stir up feelings and that you may get annoyed & disgusted at a couple of thugs causing trouble, but seem to ignore the 100000s of people who didn't cause trouble...

Its funny how the media percieved the English fans as one of the best and clearly ignored the hooliganism going on in the background.
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Just because of a few isolated incidences of violence, like you get in any town, doesn't mean that it is widespread like the media presents it. The media wants you to think that it is a lot worse than it actually is because bad news sells & good news doesn't.

banned hooligans got into Germany without any problems
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Yes, a couple slipped through the net, but with open borders, you can't really help that. What about the 1000s of people that DID have their passports conviscated? As has already been mentioned by others, just because you see a few isolated incidences on the news (that may or may not been distorted for impact), don't think that everyone is like that.
 
I watched it and in the end thought that most of the trouble wasn't much worse than you see week in week out across the uk at chucking out time, I don't see how much more the police can do about it. As they said on the program it was mainly lager louts spoiling for a fight, which realistically you're going to get in any situation with big groups of people and cheap alcohol. Just look at any town/city centre on a friday night and you see pretty much the same thing.

The things I found disgusting were the racist songs they were singing, songs about ww2, and doing nazi salutes. Theres no place for that imo.

I think at the end of the day, its was a small minority, which every country probably has, we just don't see that reported in our media, making england fans look worse than they probably are.

At least the program did try and show that other countries have the problem, and that the vast majority of enlgand fans were there to enjoy the football and socialise with other nations.
 
We are fairly tame compared to other countries (Turkey, Italy). Even in Marseille we had pint glasses and ash trays thrown at our heads ahah.
 
malc30 said:
That reporter should be Shot for misrepresenting English fans.
****** ***** needs a ******* good ********. :p
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err- try oldham or rochdale as a night out on the weekend, u will see they are not misrepresenting british hooligans. the worst thing is they dont just appear when england play - they only appear more apparent because there are more out in force.

RE the article; they are merely pointing out that a lot managed to get to germany.

and just because other countries have issues with hooliganism doesnt mean we should bury our heads and wash our hands of our own now does it?
 
The_Judge said:
We are fairly tame compared to other countries (Turkey, Italy). Even in Marseille we had pint glasses and ash trays thrown at our heads ahah.
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I'm guessing you weren't listening when you could hear glass smashing pretty much every other second :(
 
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