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satchef1 said:
The poll gives no data for people sympathising with mass murder. In fact, the other data collected by the poll would suggest that very few would agree with such practices.

Again, you are attempting to misrepresent the data to support your own views.
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Motivation is a reason connected to an act or behaviour, sympathising with a motivation is sympathising for the reasoning that accepts the drawing of a cartoon can lead to murder. It is not a complete rejection of the act as wrong. Do you sympathise with the motives of the Hebdo attackers? If so explain, since you are implying that position is benign?

Islam has a problem.
Islam is a problem.

See the difference?

The very next line after you chose to end your quote says: "a small minority of Muslims celebrates violence and intolerance". Fareed Zakaria's article describes how Islam currently has a problem with a minority of violent extremists. It's a problem that can be cured. While much of the work to get there has to take place within the Islamic community, Islamophobia isn't helping. It is fueling more extremism.
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In my first post I stated "Islam has, and is, a problem right now". It has a problem now, it is a problem now - that was a centrepiece of Fareed's article. I then restated it again, "Islam is a problem right now...".

You are not answering the question I posed, since you accused me of misrepresenting the article completely. You know the article title is, "Fareed Zakaria: Let’s be honest, Islam has a problem right now", you know my quotes were taken from Fareed supporting the title description -

But let’s be honest. Islam has a problem today. The places that have trouble accommodating themselves to the modern world are disproportionately Muslim.

In 2013, of the top 10 groups that perpetrated terrorist attacks, seven were Muslim. Of the top 10 countries where terrorist attacks took place, seven were Muslim-majority. The Pew Research Center rates countries on the level of restrictions that governments impose on the free exercise of religion. Of the 24 most restrictive countries, 19 are Muslim-majority. Of the 21 countries that have laws against apostasy, all have Muslim majorities.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...302a14-4fe6-11e4-aa5e-7153e466a02d_story.html
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Either the article title, titles are a summary of the article, is not what I've stated and the quote is made up and not from Fareed Zakaria or both are true and a representation of the data and his views. Your claim essentially that Fareed's quotes do not reflect Fareed's opinion is nonsensical.

My quotes reflect the title of his opinion piece and I'm afraid that trumps other sub-narratives that only serve to distract from the article title.
 
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Nelly said:
I just think if this was the UK, France. Germany or wherever else, we wouldn't jump on a boat and hurtle off to Iceland or whatever. We have always been the same and when are backs are against the wall we would fight for our very lives for our country, well the majority of the people would.

I just think if any of these men who are aged 16 to 50+ are fit and healthy, they should be conscripted into the Syrian Army and defend their country, or whoever they wish to align thereselves with be it the FSA or the Syrian Armed Forces.
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Problem is it just isn't that simple in Syria - your "average person on the street" even those not afraid to fight do not support their government but also do not support most/all the rebel groups. Hence a large number choose to leave - mostly going to Lebanon or Turkey.

There are religious and ideology differences within the general population in Syria that simply don't exist within the general population of the UK, Germany, etc. in the same way.

EDIT: Hence my posts in the EU migrants thread - it seems many people including scarily those in government simply don't comprehend the implications of those religious and ideology issues across the middle east and North Africa in relation to migration westwards and the massive scale of the long term issues this will cause of which events like have just happened in France are only one component of.
 
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Nelly said:
If this was the UK, France. Germany or wherever else, we wouldn't jump on a boat and hurtle off to Iceland or whatever. We have always been the same and when are backs are against the wall we would fight for our very lives for our country, well the majority of the people would.

I just think if any of these men who are aged 16 to 50+ are fit and healthy, they should be conscripted into the Syrian Army and defend their country, or whoever they wish to align thereselves with be it the FSA or the Syrian Armed Forces.
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Problem is it just isn't that simple in Syria - your "average person on the street" even those not afraid to fight do not support their government but also do not support most/all the rebel groups. Hence a large number choose to leave - mostly going to Lebanon or Turkey.

There are religious and ideology differences within the general population in Syria that simply don't exist within the general population of the UK, Germany, etc. in the same way.

Hence my posts in the EU migrants thread - it seems many people including scarily those in government simply don't comprehend the implications of those religious and ideology issues across the middle east and North Africa in relation to migration westwards and the massive scale of the long term issues this will cause of which events like have just happened in France are only one component of.
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I think the men should be deported back still though, the EU (not sure how much has been done) should put funds in place so that Arab countries can put them up. The Arab league should be doing their part.

Only three months ago the Amsterdam to Paris train attack was thwarted. Anyone going on holiday to any Muslim majority country need their heads testing, just not worth the risk, the guy who was part of that attempt was of Moroccan origin.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/21/amsterdam-paris-train-gunman-france

Petition here with over 270,000 signed so far - Stop all immigration and close the UK borders until ISIS is defeated. >> https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516
 
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thebennyboy said:
This thread has already gone horribly off-topic with people bickering about stuff barely relevant to the attacks. Considering this new "members charter" has been brought in, it has not been honored at all. If the Dons were removing off-topic crap then half this thread would probably have been removed by now...
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Including almost all of your posts. Honestly, you don't have a monopoly on shock or outrage. Go to bed.
 
Nelly said:
I think the men should be deported back still though, the EU (not sure how much has been done) should put funds in place so that Arab countries can put them up. The Arab league should be doing their part.
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Supporting Lebanon, Turkey, etc. (as David Cameron wanted to do) with proper facilities to handle the migrant situation and properly vet and audit movement into Europe would have gone a long way - however you can't just chuck em at say Saudi Arabia for instance and expect it to work.
 
By the logic displayed in this thread we should be rounding up Catholics for the terrorism committed by the IRA, I really wonder about all of you, go look in the mirror you're a disgrace to society
 
MrMoonX said:
By the logic displayed in this thread we should be rounding up Catholics for the terrorism committed by the IRA, I really wonder about all of you, go look in the mirror you're a disgrace to society
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At one stage the British government did try something similar. They called it internment, dtention without cause or trial, rounded up all the young men, put normal folks beside the actual terrorists, and componded the problem by increasing the recruiting ranks considerably.
Awful idea, worked terribly, and notably bolstered resentment against Britian and swelled the IRAs ranks.

They clearly need to do some control over immigrants, but internment wouldn't help.
 
It would appear of the eight terrorists, that one thus far has been identified as born and bred French, kniwn to sexurity services for antisocials bits, but never previously linked to extremisim, and two had passports belonging to chaps who landd in Greece possibly last month.

So a mixed group, one might think a european cell collected these chaps and brought them to France, briefed them, armed them, and set them off.
Now the question is how much of the cell is left.
Three arrests in Belgium, the German arrest last week, three of the known French bomber family or associates have been detained.
The investigation begins.
 
Freakbro said:
No extreme left then, just a figment of your imagination



Sounds like a description of Christianity, or any other religion...
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This strawman needs to stop.
It doesn't sound like Christianity. It sounds like idiocy. There is a massive difference.
Excluding the retarded extremes of the Westbro baptists, and other very small churches, the vast majority of Christians are Catholic or Anglician styled Churches, there isn't a large percentage of either of these congregations willing the death of others in the name of their religion.
Don't state utter rot in the name of having a go at major religions.

There are no doubt some white folks who want to bomb and obliterate all 1.6 billion muslims, whether they attend Church or not is irrevelant, they sure as hell won't be doing it in the name of their church or their God.

The difference is, ISIS are using a very specific series of texts and an interpretation of them which allows them to try to explain away and rationalise the madness they propagate, basically I can all I like to anyone muslim or not who doesn't agree with me, because I am right, as Allah said so.
They claim it in his name, doesn't make it true.
 
Hey Nelly thanks for the heads up on the petition, I got that bad boy signed and guess what? Youtube had to back down in blocking With Open Gates: The forced collective suicide of European nations.


Last time i looked 270k+ signed the petition and nearly 1.8 million people have watched the video on Youtube. Is it happening? Does this mean the cat is finally out of the bag and running screeching down the street? :eek:
 
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@ Hikari

Of course I wasn't actually making any serious equivalency between Christianity and the terrorism of ISIS, it's just there is so much hyperbole being spouted by certain members it's ridiculous and I was trying to highlight a couple of bits
 
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