Paris attacks.

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OldCoals said:
Until we address Saudi Arabia and Wahhabism there were always be a problem.

But we need their oil and they buy lots of weapons form us so don't hold your breath.
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It's a good thing that there's not an orbiting US military space-surface capability - I'm sure ISIS would have tried hacking to destroy Saudi Arabia and Mecca by now to turn it into WWIII / Crusades Mk 2..
 
Caged said:
All of those things happened at the same time as the rise of the middle-eastern nations and the Saudis exporting wahhabism wherever their money would enable it to go. To look at this purely in terms of western interference causing people to organise in a militaristic way is either missing or wilfully ignoring a large piece of the puzzle.
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As I understand it, the previous Saudi regime was kind of placating the extreme Muslim faction by giving them money to further their goal of spreading their teachings around the world, Saudi internal power is more finely balanced than you might think, I believe relatively recently the Saudi king died so that may have led to more weakness at the top of the régime.

Given that the oil price has halved and the Saudis are running a huge deficit for just about the first time, don't expect the situation to improve anytime soon.

Presumably barring placating a few leftist , the Americans will want out of the whole area given that they are racking up huge costs and they seem to be able to satisfy their oil requirements by fracking.
 
kissenger said:
Well that's just a stupid attitude. You sound like you would fit right in at an ISIS training camp. But just bear in mind that this 'reap what you sow' stuff tends to work both ways. Let's see what the French response is to this. I would wager that it's not, 'let's stop all air strikes against IS and turn the Eiffel tower into a Mosque.' It will be more along the lines of, 'let's start thinking about a ground war, and by the way has anyone got Putin's number.'

And if that happens there will be way more than 160 dead on the 'other' side.
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You appear to live in a cave and have just come outside.
 
SonniLombardi said:
Kay Burley asks a Parisian man waiting in a queue to donate blood - "why are you giving blood today?"

She is an absolute **** :mad:
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I honestly think Sky News only keep Burley around to add some 'Hopkins Factor' to the news and get people talking, because it definitely isn't due to her journalistic credentials. Vile woman.
 
George Hincapie said:
This debate requires that people mentally separate religion from the act.

The religion that these terrorists follow is irrelevant. Religion has been used as justification for war and committing atrocities since time immemorial.

Attacking the religion, in this case, Islam, is counter-productive. The vast majority of Muslims in Europe are peaceful and living productive, positive lives; we need to keep them onside not alienate them.

The objective should be to starve the terrorists of recruits and to make the operational environment so hostile and difficult to work in that they go elsewhere. They will attack, so the best you can hope for is that attack isn't directed against your country.
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Sorry. I can tell you're well-meaning, but this is absolute nonsense.

Yes, violence has been carried out in the name of virtually ever religion, but right now we are experiencing attack after attack after attack in the name of one religion, and that is Islam. We have a problem with Islamic fundamentalism. The sooner we recognise that the sooner we will be able to take effective action against it.

Your priority seems to be assuaging the Muslim community and just hoping that we're not chosen as the next 'victim' of the extremists. That will be cold comfort to the next batch of people who are shot or blown up and I think you would see things differently if someone you knew was hurt. These people are our enemy. As a starting point, we need to treat them as such. The problem will not just disappear, unfortunately.
 
Just to be clear, this isn't about making excuses for terrorists but tackling some of the root causes to stop others - not just Muslims - from being radicalised or becoming extremists.

Everyone here can make a big wish together to rid the world of Islam, and through sheer psychic will, lets say that happens. The world becomes a peaceful place where there's no more violent conflict? Of course not.
 
kissenger said:
Well that's just a stupid attitude. You sound like you would fit right in at an ISIS training camp. But just bear in mind that this 'reap what you sow' stuff tends to work both ways. Let's see what the French response is to this. I would wager that it's not, 'let's stop all air strikes against IS and turn the Eiffel tower into a Mosque.' It will be more along the lines of, 'let's start thinking about a ground war, and by the way has anyone got Putin's number.'

And if that happens there will be way more than 160 dead on the 'other' side..
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Putin has the right idea though, In his speech to Russias parliament I believe it was, He said in not so many words that he doesn't like islam and IT, Not Russia should change.
 
Caged said:
All of those things happened at the same time as the rise of the middle-eastern nations and the Saudis exporting wahhabism wherever their money would enable it to go. To look at this purely in terms of western interference causing people to organise in a militaristic way is either missing or wilfully ignoring a large piece of the puzzle.
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My history is not up to scratch but afaik the British supported Saud against the Ottomans and helped destroy their empire. Wahabbism had existed before but when the Ottoman empire came to an end it started expanding and is what it is now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Saud#Origins_and_early_history

Everyone knows the Wahabi Saudi regime is supported by the west yet we ignore that little fact.
 
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stufflol said:
Inb4

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:D
 
stopper said:
No they haven't. Only the western media have claimed it was IS.
There has been no official claims to it yet.

People need to stop automatically believing every thing they hear on state sponsored media like the BBC and Sky news, and start questioning things. Remember when the BBC claimed Russia shot down the plane in Ukraine? Whatever happened to that story, eh?

I am betting this is another false flag, created to allow NATO to send in ground troops to Syria and N Iraq. Watch what happens.
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They have claimed responsibility now, apparently it's for insults to the Prophet of Islam and attacks on IS territory.
 
Just been watching a American news reader giving some opinions on radical Muslims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...bamas-policy-on-radical-Islam-goes-viral.html

Her suggestion is to stop pussy footing around and put the fear of God into them by force.

I've not really got any worthwhile thoughts to this subject but its clear the current method isn't working.

RIP to all the victims and sympathy to their friends and family
 
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