Paris attacks.

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SciNeT said:
Of course Isis is about religion, Isis are Islamic, Isis members are all Muslims, are you implying they have nothing to do with the religion that they base their entire lives around, whose primary goal is an Islamic State, based entirely upon Islam? :confused:
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isnt islam about control and power anyway? im a bus driver and ive had muslim guys stop anyone from helping their wives off the bus with a pram because its their beleif that the woman doesnt need/shouldnt be helped was what he said. they only have rewards for the men in the afterlife - 100 virgins etc etc. what about the virgins? maybe they want some rights lol.
 
Random Guy said:
Your mentioned survey - did it in fact ask every single British muslim in the UK? I doubt it.
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Go look up the word "survey" and then read a book on statistics, you'll get the idea eventually...
No need to come back and apologise for your ignorance

Those ***** you posted a pictured of - irrelevant to the current discussion as that is a group based in Pakistan right? Why are you conflating the issue by posting them here? Nonsense approach.
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Sorry but it is a relevant comparison because that is the truth of the matter

  • muslims attack a western country
  • muslims worldwide celebrate those deaths
  • repeat forever
I was just showing you a picture of the last event, in a few days you'll see the picture of muslims celebrating last nights event

I stand by what I said - the vast majority of muslims are just as horrified by this as everyone else. Just because you decide to narrow your vision to the most ignorant, extremist of the bunch, doesn't mean diddly-squat.
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Just because you personally decide that the opinion of your five mates down the mosque is statistically significant, and they are not in fact lying as permitted by the quran, doesn't mean diddly-squat.

99.999% is utter BS :rolleyes:

Let's be generous and suggest that 10% of muslims worldwide give a **** about some dead French people whose government is bombing Syria.
 
D1craig said:
basically we have just been attacked by them, we should not have to go to them for an apology they should come to us and give us the apology.
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We weren't attacked by "them", and "they" have nothing to apologise for.

If the wider Muslim population wishes to condemn and distance itself from those committing these attacks then great, but it's quite obvious now that your default position is that all Muslims are in favour of these attacks until they (or Sky News) say otherwise. Why would you want to think that way? What makes you believe that the majority of Muslims in Britain who have families, jobs, businesses and contribute positively towards our society are also secretly in favour of blowing "us" up unless they take a day out of their weekend to arrange some kind of apologetic rally aimed at white British people?
 
drunkenmaster said:
No, the not so closeted racists are what is utter **** in here.

Get this straight, you are NOT stating facts. When a full census is done and you get some percentages you can use them as fact.
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Islam is not a race, it's a religion comprising of all different types of race. It's not racist.

Of course it's not a survey of all muslims, but that's the case with almost every survey. Someone made a percentage claim, he countered with some real stats from a survey, although he hasn't listed the survey, that's the problem.
 
bitslice said:
Go look up the word "survey" and then read a book on statistics, you'll get the idea eventually...
No need to come back and apologise for your ignorance
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Theories of statistics can help with surveys in extrapolating data, that doesn't mean that EVERY survey is scientifically accurate, uses a good sample of people or hits the necessary sample size for statistically useful information.

Newspapers running polls in the UK looking for a certain result can get any answers they want.

Presuming every survey is accurate or statistically meaningful hilariously daft.
 
Just being reported that the closure of Gatwick today was due to a French person stopped with firearm. Heightened security so caused the evacuation of the terminal.
 
drunkenmaster said:
No, the not so closeted racists are what is utter **** in here.
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Islam isn't a race, it is more like a cult really.


Get this straight, you are NOT stating facts. When a full census is done and you get some percentages you can use them as fact. When a paper asks 100-1000 people for their view, presuming their answers are accurate they can't be extrapolated to universal percentages because it's ridiculous.
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If I pick 1000 random Quakers and half like eggs and half do not like eggs,
I can say that with a margin of error of a few percent, that half of all Quakers in the UK like eggs.


A reporter goes to a pub outside the Chelsea stadium and asks 100 people inside who supports Chelsea, the result is 98% of people do, 2% don't like football.... does that mean 98% of the UK population support Chelsea?
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That is not random, duuuurrrr

Papers are biased, drama stirring **** that aren't accurate or trustworthy and haven't been for a very very long time.
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This was a survey carried out by a survey company, commissioned by Radio 4, not a paper.


Using a crap and tiny and entirely inaccurate poll as proof when you and everyone else keep talking about the same single tiny inaccurate poll it makes you look ridiculous and unintelligent.
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Sorry, here's where you look ridiculous and unintelligent...


margin of error required 3%
confidence level required 95%
population 2,700,000 UK muslims
sample prop 50%

sample size required 1067


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TheVoice said:
We weren't attacked by "them", and "they" have nothing to apologise for.

If the wider Muslim population wishes to condemn and distance itself from those committing these attacks then great, but it's quite obvious now that your default position is that all Muslims are in favour of these attacks until they (or Sky News) say otherwise. Why would you want to think that way? What makes you believe that the majority of Muslims in Britain who have families, jobs, businesses and contribute positively towards our society are also secretly in favour of blowing "us" up unless they take a day out of their weekend to arrange some kind of apologetic rally aimed at white British people?
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i dont mention being british or white anywhere in my statement. i said westerners and that is the only type of caste i used.

ok lets be more specific. france has just been attacked by some muslims (extremists ofcourse). everyone muslim now fears the backlash from the rest of western society. would it really hurt them (some muslim leader of society if "them" is too something or other for you) to come out and condemn these acts?

lets go back a few years to something a lot of people i know have experienced - when some football fans where in a football stadium got killed fighting with each other a whole part of the world was victimised at the next football tournament and even the MPs from that country got involved in causing the problem for the people of the country. thats just what happens.

if i was this victimised in something i would be trying to get my voice across, demanding that the popular media sources show their discomfort with these actions. there are elected MPs in areas of some countries that could easily get some air time from these media sources and im sure these MPs are considered leading members of the muslim communities they are in, so this would be a very welcome thing.
 
I find it funny, this need to collect and group people.

Ultimately, everyone agrees there are 'the bad guys' and everyone wants them to lose. The bad guys are Muslims, so some people (like example person 'Alex') turn around and say 'Muslims are the bad guys'. Alex then decides he has a strong dislike for Muslims.

But clearly, not all Muslims are bad guys. Alex gets around this problem by stating that these 'self-described Muslims' are not really true Muslims. Because Alex knows that all Muslims must be bad guys.

In other words, Alex is an idiot and the irony that he is vocally discriminating against a group of people, in a way that is not too dissimilar from how the actual bad guys blindly hate the rest of us, sails over his head - weeeeeeeeeeeeee!

It's a shame people get bogged down by this nonsense rather than tackling the issue that really matters - finding, stopping and beating the bad guys. That is not to say that characteristics of terrorists, such as their faith, are merely coincidental. The fact is that the biggest terrorist threat we face today comes from a Muslim group. Bad guys they remain, nevertheless, and that is what truly matters.
 
Nitefly said:
I find it funny, this need to collect and group people.

Ultimately, everyone agrees there are 'the bad guys' and everyone wants them to lose. The bad guys are Muslims, so some people (like example person 'Alex') turn around and say 'Muslims are the bad guys'. Alex then decides he has a strong dislike for Muslims.

But clearly, not all Muslims are bad guys. Alex gets around this problem by stating that these 'self-described Muslims' are not really true Muslims. Because Alex knows that all Muslims must be bad guys.

In other words, Alex is an idiot and the irony that he is vocally discriminating against a group of people, in a way that is not too dissimilar from how the actual bad guys blindly hate the rest of us, sails over his head - weeeeeeeeeeeeee!

It's a shame people get bogged down by this nonsense rather than tackling the issue that really matters - finding, stopping and beating the bad guys. That is not to say that characteristics of terrorists, such as their faith, are merely coincidental. The fact is that the biggest terrorist threat we face today comes from a Muslim group. Bad guys they remain, nevertheless, and that is what truly matters.
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Couldn't be more spot on.
 
If tackling radicalised Islam was a real objective of the west then our major news broadcasters would not give nutters like Anjem Choudary hour long segments. It is very clear that there is a different agenda at play here, one that most of you lot cannot comprehend.
 
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