Paris attacks.

[Rofflay]

Yeah why was it deleted ?

Could have posted it here I guess.

He basically said the French were wrong to be patriotic because they killed people in Algeria and posted the images like a fool. And he had 60 posts and only signed up this month.

I will let you do the conclusion about where his affiliation and motives lay.

 

[Danthus]

Because you'd be punishing millions of innocent refugees who lets not forget are refugees mostly due to USA/UK meddling in the region in the first place.... who will just become angry and hateful towards the UK/EU in general if we refuse to help them.

Don't want the responsibility for consequences of our actions in the middle east.... stop ******* around there.

Terrorists can get in anyway. Refugees want to come here to LIVE, a holiday won't cut it, terrorists don't want to live here. They will happily have someone in country murder people to steal passports or whatever else. Terrorists will make it in regardless, refugees shouldn't be punished because people are too naive to realise this.

Plenty of terrorists, foreign and home grown, were already in France and the UK before the refugees were allowed in.

You may as well shut down all hospitals and stop providing medical care after one psycho getting treatment kills a doctor... who cares that almost everyone else is absolutely no threat to doctors, it shouldn't be easy to get into hospitals because of this one incident.

Let them move once you have identified who they are, it is hardly a controversial approach.

 

[Danthus]

How is fostering more resentment a good thing? He has offered one of the few reasonable solutions in this thread and it still gets boiled down to "omg Muslims".

Well embracing them hasn't worked that well.

 

[Rofflay]

Somewhat worried this isn't over for the weekend .

For sure, I fired off an email to my local meat supplier too just to check they are still non Halal. Time to start taking back our rights i reckon. Monday will be interesting because i suspect they have been selling Halal meat for quite some time now despite N.I not even having a single Mosque.


All done for the profits on Irish beef exports to the Muslims in GB and IRE.

 

[Nitefly]

It's not as though their faith is coincidental. Their faith is their reason for doing it. So you can then look at the subsection of that faith which radicalises and motivates the kind of people who end up committing these acts. If you pretend their faith isn't at the core of this, you have no chance of combatting the problem.

Similarly, if you have far right white supremacists killing black people, you have to accept that's their reason and just saying they're bad people means you're not going to be able combat the reasons they go from normal person --> person willing to kill black people for being black.

The first sentence of your post is effectively the same as the first sentence of the post you quoted - I agree with you

 

[dacads]

He basically said the French were wrong to be patriotic because they killed people in Algeria and posted the images like a fool. And he had 60 posts and only signed up this month.

I will let you do the conclusion about where his affiliation and motives lay.

I see where you're coming from but everyone has their own opinion.

 

[Ayahuasca]

For sure, I fired off an email to my local meat supplier too just to check they are still non Halal. Time to start taking back our rights i reckon.

 

[Daze]

For sure, I fired off an email to my local meat supplier too just to check they are still non Halal. Time to start taking back our rights i reckon. Monday will be interesting because i suspect they have been selling Halal meat for quite some time now despite N.I not even having a single Mosque.


All done for the profits on Irish beef exports to the Muslims in GB and IRE.

There's a mosque in Newtownards!

 

[Rofflay]

You do realize quite a lot of Irish export beef is Halal right? And no one is being told i only got the idea because of todays article about a school in England that just infirmed the local non Muslims that the chicken would now only be Halal due to swaping supplier. So it is facepalm to demand animals are knocked out before slaughter? See this is why the country is becoming a hell hole.

Nice to see you enjoy not having labels and animal cruelty.

There's a mosque in Newtownards!

Since when? There is a Bangladeshi community center yes but that is not a Mosque. Yes?

 

[Rroff]

Somewhat worried this isn't over for the weekend .

With security on high alert I suspect any further organised attacks will be further down the line - might be lone nutters who are inspired by it though

 

[arctine]

So if they choose the easiest path, why create that path?

Why not deny help to innocent people who are fleeing their country to get away from the same thing causing the attacks on us?

Because it separates us from inhumanity.

 

[Stretch]

The fact that they came to Europe as refugees means absolutely nothing, and should change nothing about how we deal with the refugee crisis. The fact that they chose the most convenient method of entering Europe should come as no surprise to anyone.

I'm not sure what your point really is. If it's that more restrictions on refugees entering the EU would have somehow prevented them from doing so, you've got to be having a laugh. If it wasn't so easy, they wouldn't have come that way... They would have come another way. We're talking about people who are willing to die for their cause, and who have connections allowing them to access some seriously heavy weaponry. Are you seriously suggesting that a closed door policy to Syrian refugees would have stopped these people?

The point is, (rightly or wrongly) there are significant numbers of people across Europe that don't want refugees here at all, and they should be perfectly entitled to hold this view. The fact some refugees seem to arrive exclusively to kill people in suicide attacks is just another justification for resentment that cannot be ignored.

Merkel's attempt to force the sharing of refugees into areas that clearly do not want them earlier in the year now looks ridiculous.

I'm still very undecided on this issue, but the current arrangement should not continue, and the boarders should be closed (forcibly if necessary) until a more sustainable and secure solution is found.

 

[Danthus]

Why not deny help to innocent people who are fleeing their country to get away from the same thing causing the attacks on us?

Because it separates us from inhumanity.

Help them at source.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Help them at source.

And who you should do that? You? Us? Someone else?

 

[Ayahuasca]

You do realize quite a lot of Irish export beef is Halal right? And no one is being told i only got the idea because of todays article about a school in England that just infirmed the local non Muslims that the chicken would now only be Halal due to swaping supplier. So it is facepalm to demand animals are knocked out before slaughter? See this is why the country is becoming a hell hole.

Nice to see you enjoy not having labels and animal cruelty.

For one I don't agree with the practice of Halal. Not quite sure why you made that assumption.

What I'm facepalming at is why it requires an event like this for you to start "taking your rights back" and what your local supplier selling Halal meat has to do with this thread?

 

[Danthus]

And who you should do that? You? Us? Someone else?

Use the army to support humanitarian organisations on the ground.

 

[Zefan]

So if they choose the easiest path, why create that path?

Because it's the only path hundreds of thousands of refugees have away from a war torn he'll hole.

So don't make it harder for these people because they will just find another way anyway?

Harder doesn't make any difference really, when they're willing to pay the ultimate price. All it would achieve is an increase in suffering for refugees.

 

[GothicGhost]

Public should be allowed to concealed carry firearms for self defense.

The terrorists know the public are not armed and cannot fight back when the shooting starts this what they like easy targets.

I am not saying anyone with a concealed carry firearms would be able to stop any attacks but at least give people a fighting chance and not just be helpless targets for terrorists to pick off when they want to.

 

[titaniumx3]

How is fostering more resentment a good thing? He has offered one of the few reasonable solutions in this thread and it still gets boiled down to "omg Muslims".

The whole "offending Muslims" thing is a non-issue, only propagated by those who seek to make it an issue. As a muslim myself and most of the people I know, we aren't even offended by comments people make towards Islam after such terrorist events. We are far more offended by these animals carrying out killing of innocents in they name of our religion. The only other thing I am personally annoyed by is people who expect us to do something about this, like we have some special power of persuasion that non-muslims do not have.

Thankfully I think more and more people are realising that IS and other groups like them are law unto themselves. They are far less to do with religion and more to do with an ideology born out of political turmoil.

I do agree that more needs to be done in terms of who we let into this country.

 

[Narj]

I heard a Sikh guy go on a massive tirade against the Islamic nutters today. No one dared challenge him. He was bang on the money - those with a poisonous ideology and those quietly condoning need to be weeded out now. Zero tolerance. If a white guy said it I'm sure he would have been pilloried.

The muslims I count amongst my friends are pretty crap at it tbh in that they are westernised, don't abuse women and enjoy music and socialising (not drinking). I just hope they don't get abuse in the coming weeks.