Parking Fine

Had this a few years back when parking on a sainsburys car park 3 days on the trot, got 3 fines through the post for £60 each, ignored them and never heard from them since.
 
Well i've got the letter now. My GF is panicing saying I must pay it otherwise I could end up in court or loose my licence etc only because she saw the CCJ & bailifs warning on the back on the letter. Going to sort this out today but i'm still really peed off that they never put a notice on my car during the night to say I was in violation. Not going to speak to them but write to them.

Liam
 
You're going to have to speak to your girlfriend and explain to her that the company are a bunch of big fat liars. What if, like some I've heard of, she pays it behind your back?
 
You're going to have to speak to your girlfriend and explain to her that the company are a bunch of big fat liars. What if, like some I've heard of, she pays it behind your back?

Don't worry I know she wouldn't do that. In the end she did calm down about it & just said that one way or another she wants it sorting out without me getting into any serious trouble, which I know won't happen. I explained to her about how these companies work & the scare tactics that they try to feed you with.

Liam
 
Well i've got the letter now. My GF is panicing saying I must pay it otherwise I could end up in court or loose my licence etc only because she saw the CCJ & bailifs warning on the back on the letter. Going to sort this out today but i'm still really peed off that they never put a notice on my car during the night to say I was in violation. Not going to speak to them but write to them.

Liam

First of all, assure your girlfriend that you won't end up in court. Even if you did (which you won't!), it would be a civil county court not a criminal court (eg magistrate, crown). You cannot lose your licence, get points, or anything else of the sort. This is a private (civil) matter, not a criminal one!

If I send a letter to your girlfriend today, saying I've decided she owes me £50 for me having written to her (self-fulfilling prophecy if you will), is she going to panic she'll lose her driving licence if she tells me to GTF?

Of course not. Show her this thread, and assure her she hasn't anything to worry about, and neither have you. It's exactly this reaction they'd LIKE to produce, as it tends to result in payment.... Stick to the plan, then stick it to the man :p
 
First of all, assure your girlfriend that you won't end up in court. Even if you did (which you won't!), it would be a civil county court not a criminal court (eg magistrate, crown). You cannot lose your licence, get points, or anything else of the sort. This is a private (civil) matter, not a criminal one!

If I send a letter to your girlfriend today, saying I've decided she owes me £50 for me having written to her (self-fulfilling prophecy if you will), is she going to panic she'll lose her driving licence if she tells me to GTF?

Of course not. Show her this thread, and assure her she hasn't anything to worry about, and neither have you. It's exactly this reaction they'd LIKE to produce, as it tends to result in payment.... Stick to the plan, then stick it to the man :p

Yeah she knows now that it won't end up in court lol i'm going to ask her to read the consumer group forum later on.

Liam
 
i use to be a parking attendant and if theres no photo of the fine on the car it wont stand up in court unless theres a photo or video footage of you using the car park without going into the Aldi store 1st. If theres no picture or video proof then they dont have a leg to stand on, write back asking for proof and if they dont supply it and still say that you have to pay, take them to small claims court and when you get your solicitor onto it he will have the photo or video evidence if there is any, if there isnt any then you will win.
 
i use to be a parking attendant and if theres no photo of the fine on the car it wont stand up in court unless theres a photo or video footage of you using the car park without going into the Aldi store 1st. If theres no picture or video proof then they dont have a leg to stand on, write back asking for proof and if they dont supply it and still say that you have to pay, take them to small claims court and when you get your solicitor onto it he will have the photo or video evidence if there is any, if there isnt any then you will win.

With respect, that's not quite accurate. We're talking about a private firm here, not the council. You don't say which sector you worked in?

They can photograph his car all they like, but they'd still need to establish (to the satisfaction of a court) that there was a legitimate contract in place, which the OP had wilfully entered into, subsequently breached, and that damages were accrued in the process, which the parking company seek to recover.

Since the number of these private bandits... sorry, car parking companies... taking people to court is approximately zero ;) then I don't think they are quite as watertight as that.

Fair enough your job as warden was to slap tickets (in this case, invoices) on cars and take pictures. But as a private company they are not the council and have no rights to issue fines, penalties or anything of the sort. This is all down to contractual law.

Since the OP isn't even necessarily the driver, but rather the RK, then things become even more problematical for the other side. The OP is under no obligation to say who was driving, nor to help the other side with any IDs.

Why should/would the OP take them to the small claims court? On what grounds? About the only grounds he would have, at a later date, is that of harassment. He can't sue the parking company because they allege he owes them money (aka the ticket). That ball is in their court, and they aren't about to serve because they know what the outcome would be!

OP, send the template letter and forget them. Don't go digging yourself any holes by asking about evidence and basically inviting them to pursue you. Admit to being the RK, acknowledge receipt of their letter, and tell them to pursue the driver. Ignore anything that comes after that.

EDIT: As a somewhat amusing side-note. I remember reading somewhere once that a guy had taken offence to these Dick Turpins ticketing his car for no real reason. I'm still referring to the private sector btw, not council officials. He put up a note in the window of his car stating that his car was a photographic model and anybody who wanted to photograph it was free to do so, at a fee of £xxx. Of course, the next time a private parking 'attendant' wanted to ticket his car, they had an interesting quandry. His own offer of using his car as a model, adequately signed, was no more or less enforceable than the parking company's offer of using parking with £x charge for overstaying. :D
 
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it was for a private company for a car park and we had to take a photo of the fine on the car. If we didnt do this then well no fine could be given. There were signs indicating that you have to pay on the entrance and in the car park. We also had a camera that logged peoples plates as they came in and out to make sure that they had paid the correct amount they stayed for. In total I had about 6 fines and 2 clamps done. All legal. I only made 1 mistake cause as I was about to fine this guy he drove off with the fine on his car but I didnt get a picture of it in time. So I spoke to my manager and he said with no proof theres no fine and no point of going to court cause we would loose.
 
it was for a private company for a car park and we had to take a photo of the fine on the car. If we didnt do this then well no fine could be given. There were signs indicating that you have to pay on the entrance and in the car park. We also had a camera that logged peoples plates as they came in and out to make sure that they had paid the correct amount they stayed for. In total I had about 6 fines and 2 clamps done. All legal. I only made 1 mistake cause as I was about to fine this guy he drove off with the fine on his car but I didnt get a picture of it in time. So I spoke to my manager and he said with no proof theres no fine and no point of going to court cause we would loose.

There aren't any known successful cases of going to court, are there? Or only where a person has admitted liability but won't pay?

The point being that unless someone admits liability or you have photos of them then you aren't able to prove who the driver is. Without an identity then it is pointless going to court also, as it would be thrown out.
 
it was for a private company for a car park and we had to take a photo of the fine on the car. If we didnt do this then well no fine could be given. There were signs indicating that you have to pay on the entrance and in the car park. We also had a camera that logged peoples plates as they came in and out to make sure that they had paid the correct amount they stayed for. In total I had about 6 fines and 2 clamps done. All legal. I only made 1 mistake cause as I was about to fine this guy he drove off with the fine on his car but I didnt get a picture of it in time. So I spoke to my manager and he said with no proof theres no fine and no point of going to court cause we would loose.

Then you should also know that it is unlawful, and in fact legally impossible, for a private individual or company to impose a 'fine'. Only the government, council or Crown can do that, under certain circumstances.

You did not issue 'fines', you issued 'invoices'. Any wording to the contrary would have made your entire operation unlawful anyway. But I digress.
 
Well I dont know of any cause it never get to court if the fine is on the car and there photographic proof there would be no point. Like Ive said if theres no proof ask for it and if they cant supply any proof at all of the fine on your car then dont pay it. The worst thing that will happen is that the next time you park in there your car will get clamped, so I wouldnt park in there again.

I worked for a company like NCP so we could issue a ticket (fine) whatever you want to call it, all I know is that they had 30 days to pay it and if they paid it in 14 days it would be half the price.
 
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EDIT: As a somewhat amusing side-note. I remember reading somewhere once that a guy had taken offence to these Dick Turpins ticketing his car for no real reason. I'm still referring to the private sector btw, not council officials. He put up a note in the window of his car stating that his car was a photographic model and anybody who wanted to photograph it was free to do so, at a fee of £xxx. Of course, the next time a private parking 'attendant' wanted to ticket his car, they had an interesting quandry. His own offer of using his car as a model, adequately signed, was no more or less enforceable than the parking company's offer of using parking with £x charge for overstaying. :D

That might have been me here.

I have never tried it, but if I ever won the lottery, I would spend time doing this kind of stuff backed up with all the lawyers I needed. Use the system against the system.

To the OP - don't pay, dispute it, the law is on your side here.
 
Well I dont know of any cause it never get to court if the fine is on the car and there photographic proof there would be no point. Like Ive said if theres no proof ask for it and if they cant supply any proof at all of the fine on your car then dont pay it. The worst thing that will happen is that the next time you park in there your car will get clamped, so I wouldnt park in there again.

Exactly. It never gets to court. I wonder why? ;) Also see my post above (which I realise you won't have read when you wrote the reply I'm quoting). There are no 'fines', only invoices. A private company cannot legally levy a fine. The OP is free to tell the company to go pursue the driver for their allegedly unpaid invoice. No court action required.

If they try to clamp him, he can always ring SB118 :D
 
I read what you put and we sent the people letters to say that they have a ticket and need to pay and people did cause we attached a picture of their car with the ticket on and took pictures of all sides of the car stating that there was no parking ticket in their car so we can fine them.

I would challenge the ticket cause some people I worked with were D**** and they need to have bad things happen to them, they tried giving me a ticket even when I was at the machine to pay for the parking ticket. That was before I worked there.
 
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I read what you put and we sent the people letters to say that they have a ticket and need to pay and people did cause we attached a picture of their car with the ticket on and took pictures of all sides of the car stating that there was no parking ticket in their car so we can fine them.

I would challenge the ticket cause some people I worked with were D**** and they need to have bad things happen to them, they tried giving me a ticket even when I was at the machine. That was before I worked there.

You misunderstand me, then. A private individual, or a company, can not impose a 'fine' on anyone. The tickets you wrote were invoices, not fines. Fines are penalties, and are unrecoverable at common law. There is no need to challenge the ticket. It is simply an invoice the OP believes he is not liable for. He simply needs to send the brief letter I posted in the first reply, and forget about it.

There is no 'fine' or 'ticket' to challenge. This is not a council. Once again, private companies can not issue fines nor enforce them. It is unlawful to attempt to do so. ;)
 
I worked for a company like NCP so we could issue a ticket (fine) whatever you want to call it, all I know is that they had 30 days to pay it and if they paid it in 14 days it would be half the price.

The fact that your boss calls them fines is one of the problems with the industry. Obviously you were just doing your job, but the management of these companies deliberately peddle misinformation and intimidate people with baseless claims and accusations. It's not right.

The law says that, if a contract has been formed, then they can claim costs from the driver. It doesn't permit them to levy the penalty fees which is what many of them do. It doesn't permit them to threaten or lie to people. It doesn't permit them to pass their invoices off as fines.
 
Exactly osc89er. Private companies cannot issue fines. It is unlawful to attempt to do so. That's what BD10NNF seems to be getting mixed up with (having read my reply and still calling them fines).

BD10NNF, genuine question here... What would you have done, as a parking attendant, should there have been a sign as discussed above, stating the car was a photographic prop and that by taking pictures of it you were liable for a fee of £200 per photo? Such a sign would have held every bit of legal power as your car parking signs.
 
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