Caporegime
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To be honest we've been waiting a while....
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Pascal Titan-X Launch
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To be honest we've been waiting a while....
Soldato
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Wrong. The 12gb vram means that it can't attain the same level of clockspeeds as the 980ti on a conistent basis. The higher clocks on the 980ti eat up the gap in cuda cores and in a lot of cases sees the 980ti outperform the Titan X.
Soldato
While this is cool I'm not making the mistake of buying another Titan when the "Ti" variant will be out a handful of months after and match it's performance with much better power delivery and cooling options with a much lower price.
Soldato
True, I want to upgrade lol the AIB 480 is looking like a buy so far but its not the upgraded I want more I just want something new.
AMD choice to leave high end for year is a strange one tbh not quite sure what the reason is but I have trust they done it for the right reason.
Guess we just after wait and see what amd bring.
Caporegime
Vega should be a lot better than Polaris, the question is when.
To be fair Polaris is really not a bad card at all, its performance is heavily throttled by its reference cooler, while it isn't as power efficient as the 1060 in DX11 in Vulkan and DX12 it is, at least... and also far more power efficient that its predecessor, nearly doubled its efficiency.
Its been popular to knock AMD for a while now but this is in this case unwarranted.
Its cheaper than the 1060, with AIB cooling its just as fast in DX11, faster, in some cases much much faster in Vulkan and DX12.
Its very much a competitor to the 1060.
To be fair Polaris is really not a bad card at all, its performance is heavily throttled by its reference cooler, while it isn't as power efficient as the 1060 in DX11 in Vulkan and DX12 it is, at least... and also far more power efficient that its predecessor, nearly doubled its efficiency.
Its been popular to knock AMD for a while now but this is in this case unwarranted.
Its cheaper than the 1060, with AIB cooling its just as fast in DX11, faster, in some cases much much faster in Vulkan and DX12.
Its very much a competitor to the 1060.
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Way behind NVidia in DX11... You are correct, they are waay behind in DX11, its gotten a little better with Polaris but its still not great, and the reason for this is AMD gambled on their GCN hardware being utilised sooner than it has.
With DX12 / Vulcan looming, they can extract a lot more performance from their hardware, as seen in recent DX12 titles and also in Doom.
Unfortunately for AMD they have not been able to, or not bothered to address their pee poor DX11 performance in relation to Nvidias, with that said though, as we move towards DX12 and Vulcan, their cards will see gains larger than Nvidia, mainly because Nvidia are already around 95% of theoretical performance.
So yeah AMD are reaping what they have sowed, they took a gamble, played the long game and its hurt them badly, all the while Nvidia have had the lead and have been able to overprice their products due to hardly any competition.
I will say this though, Polaris has improved in AMDs DX11 and still given good gains in DX12 etc, Vega will improve upon this further, the tide will shift at some point towards AMDs favour, ultimately i still feel Nvidia will address this with hardware changes perhaps in Volta or whatever its called? But we may have a period of time where Nvidia are behind and AMD are ontop.
When and if that happens AMD will hike their prices, because the precedent has already been set and they dont want their "Budget brand" moniker.
AMD should take a leaf out of the Microsoft book, lob out a ton of huge performing cards for hardly any profit to increase peoples perception of them being able to offer massive performance, not just performance per dollar either, just a perception that their cards offer massive performance.
My gripe with Nvidia is not their products totally, just the way they lie about so many things and the way people swallow it and spread their cheeks for the next lie to be inserted, all the while charging you over the odds for the pleasure with a nasty smile on their faces.
But if people are happy with that type of behavior, well more power to them
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This is the funniest thing, All the bleating about what a bargain the 1080 is/was.
As Nvidia say behind closed doors "Playing the game the way it's meant to be played".
What? What has the price of the titan cards got to do with competition from AMD?
Even cards that are faster than the Titan in the Nvidia lineup don't affect the price of the Titan cards. The 780 was nearly as fast as the Titan, didn't affect the Titan price. The 780Ti was faster, didn't affect titan price. The reference 290x cards were just as fast and the custom ones were faster, but still didn't affect the price.
Nvidia have said that the Titan cards are outside their normal pricing structure.
There is only one company to blame for the Titan pricing and that's Nvidia.
If people want to buy them or not that's their business.
It is one thing to pay silly money for a card that is outside the normal line up and over engineered/specs that aren't very cost effective to produce, etc. and another for cards like the Titan cards seem to be fast becoming that are basically a card in the normal lineup just with the Titan name slapped on it and price jacked up.
It's pretty simply, having cards that were as fast as Nvidia high end cards wasn't getting AMD any marketshare. They have been doing that since 4xxx series cards and it hasn't worked.
They had to try something new. Time will tell if releasing the lower end stuff first will work out for them.
The Titans always come out first, and traditionally had exceptional double precision capabilities that could only be found in cards that otherwise cost thousands. The Titan X is faster than the 980 Ti and has double the VRAM.
Soldato
If this card is going to perform 20-30% better than a 1080, with only 12GB and no HBM... Is it not looking likely that there will be no 1080ti?
Or (more likely) this is the TI but they renamed it titan for ultimate milking purposes.
I agree with you completely and it was a masterstroke from Nvidia. The first one was kinda special with it's workstation power and the new cooler. But, the Titan-x is exactly what you said a normal card with the Titan name on it. People think they are getting something special and unique, but it's just a normal card. The Pascal titan seems to be more of the same.
People are paying for the Titan brand.
While I agree it's silly money for a graphics card, People can do what they want, it's their money. But don't tell them that the Titan card is nothing special and not really worth the money or you will be labelled for life as an AMD fanboy.
The joke is other than slightly having a bit more VRAM than the equivalent card would have had - this is basically the GTX470, etc. for this generation but you get to pay £1000+ for it - well played nVidia.
Uh oh.
Uh oh.
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What's that got to do with anything I said? Nvidia themselves have claimed their Titan cards are outside their normal pricing structure. Go take it up with them.
My point still stand. Nvidia haven't reduced the price of the Titan cards no matter what else has been released.
Oh, and the original Titan had full DP etc, but there is a reason workstation cards costs 1000's and it's because of the support and software you get with those cards.