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Pascal Titan-X Launch

The limit can be reached again and again surely? GC cards don't get hotter each generation :D

I have to disagree with ya. Although the aftermarket coolers may do a better job they have negatives too - one being they look cheap, another being people do sometimes have problems with them I think and also they just vent into the case which is naff. I'd go reference or slap a water cooler on personally.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ref cooler has more £ spent in R&D and cost to manufacture than the aftermarket big fan style coolers

The question is whats stopping nvidia making a dual or triple fan cooler of the same materials? It could be a cooler that looks good and performs well, instead of the current trend of a good looking cooler that's screaming for mercy after 10 minutes of gameplay. As for it venting into the case temp wise it really makes only around 3 to 5 c difference, this was tested on linus tech tips a while ago and the difference was around that.

A similar thing was tested with jayz2cents where people were berating him for a front mounted trad with fans blowing through the case, again the difference in temps was only a few c tops. It can cause issues if they're tight together in sli but seeing as 3/4 way is going the way of the dodo a motherboard with good spacing solves that problem as well. It's not as if nvidia are stepping on partners toes by creating a different cooler for this as the card is only available direct from them
 
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The question is whats stopping nvidia making a dual or triple fan cooler of the same materials? It could be a cooler that looks good and performs well, instead of the current trend of a good looking cooler that's screaming for mercy after 10 minutes of gameplay. As for it venting into the case temp wise it really makes only around 3 to 5 c difference, this was tested on linus tech tips a while ago and the difference was around that.

A similar thing was tested with jayz2cents where people were berating him for a front mounted trad with fans blowing through the case, again the difference in temps was only a few c tops. It can cause issues if they're tight together in sli but seeing as 3/4 way is going the way of the dodo a motherboard with good spacing solves that problem as well. It's not as if nvidia are stepping on partners toes by creating a different cooler for this as the card is only available direct from them

Oh come on, the ref fan does not scream when running at stock temps and stock fan profile. Reference cards from Nvidia at least haven't been noisey since probably the 480 and even that I never had a problem with :)
If cards in SLI are close, does it really make much of a difference to performance? A few degrees higher only?
Think we should remember that overclocking cards is not the norm. I also think many who do overclock them actually play games at stock settings or with a small OC - they do the overclocking for fun/competition. Not sure Nvidia really need to cater for that themselves when overall the reference cooler is probably the most optimal(for all round) and the settings the card runs at most optimal too. Performance/looks/noise/cooling/efficiency.
 
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Oh come on, the ref fan does not scream when running at stock temps and stock fan profile. Reference cards from Nvidia at least haven't been noisey since probably the 480 and even that I never had a problem with :)
If cards in SLI are close, does it really make much of a difference to performance? A few degrees higher only?
Think we should remember that overclocking cards is not the norm. I also think many who do overclock them actually play games at stock settings or with a small OC - they do the overclocking for fun/competition. Not sure Nvidia really need to cater for that themselves when overall the reference cooler is probably the most optimal(for all round) and the settings the card runs at most optimal too. Performance/looks/noise/cooling/efficiency.

I think many would disagree with you about the reference design, titan x (original) could be pretty noisy as could 980 ti. Temps on this can get upto 83c pretty fast going by what I've read.

It still doesn't take away from the fact that they could achieve much better thermals, clock speeds and noise profile if they would simply step away from the tired, dated, "squirrel cage fan" blower design. On the launch of the 980 Tom Petersen was on pc per tooting his horn about what he and nvidia called "the acoustic experience", somewhere along the line that went awry as the (2015) titan x and 980 ti were noticeably louder than the gtx 980.

Like i said this card is direct from nvidia, no partner input so why not make a better cooler for it instead of bolting on a cooler that is clearly holding the card back? I know they're going for this gimmicky branding id with the card range having a similar shroud but it could do better with a different design.
 
I think many would disagree with you about the reference design, titan x (original) could be pretty noisy as could 980 ti. Temps on this can get upto 83c pretty fast going by what I've read.

That is by design

By default the Titan cards run quiet rather than cool but there is nothing to stop the user from setting a custom fan profile.

83C is nothing anyway compared to a GTX 690 for example that is designed to run at over 90C if required.
 
That is by design

By default the Titan cards run quiet rather than cool but there is nothing to stop the user from setting a custom fan profile.

83C is nothing anyway compared to a GTX 690 for example that is designed to run at over 90C if required.

I know its by design its the default temp limit, but at the same time the cooler doesn't have much headroom for any kind of sustained overclocks unless you want it to sound like a jet engine. If it had a better cooler it would probably boost higher by default, and as this is the only model that there is likely to be its not exactly ideal. The fan on the new titan is locked to a max of 50% apparently by default unless you use afterburner or something to let it go higher.

Personally i think theyre half assing it on these coolers, it looks all nice and shiny but thats about it, the actual vapour chamber could stand to be a bit bigger as it seems pretty small and theres room to make it somewhat larger.
 
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Makes you wonder if it is a case of they know that these will be bought by the ultra enthusiasts so they limit them until you open it up with some overclocking software.
 
Makes you wonder if it is a case of they know that these will be bought by the ultra enthusiasts so they limit them until you open it up with some overclocking software.

I think they were just trying to keep within the psychological limit of 250w tbh, but like you say we enthusiasts don't mind breaking that barrier ;)

Maybe it's to do with oem contracts etc??
 
Good points, but at some point you have to wonder if the geek with a soldering iron has been overtaken with a social media guy with a big fat wallet.

The hunt is still the same, the hardware rather than the game, the benches and overclock rather than 120 v 118 fps in some game where you cannot, if you are playing the game as meant to be played, do not care anyhow as you are fully into it.

The two need to be separated.

Enjoy your hardware, never make an excuse for making the game better though. In 2016 that does not wash.

Andy

But... the TX or 1080 or which ever card, does make games better, I do not understand your post... you need a 1080 to run games at good FPS and settings on a 3440x1440 monitor, a TX would be better as you would get more FPS and better settings, 4k 60fps you need a TXP and the TXP is still not enough for 4k 60fps in all games... so I do not understand how these GPU do not make the games better?
 
But... the TX or 1080 or which ever card, does make games better, I do not understand your post... you need a 1080 to run games at good FPS and settings on a 3440x1440 monitor, a TX would be better as you would get more FPS and better settings, 4k 60fps you need a TXP and the TXP is still not enough for 4k 60fps in all games... so I do not understand how these GPU do not make the games better?

Overclocked on air and then when we get them under water the tx does 60fps AV in every game bar one. With a few small tweaks to the gfx settings it's pretty easy to get min 60fps in almost all games.

That's good enough for me and will be a massive 50% gain over my 290x and 150% when xfire doesn't work.
 
Is there any update on Gregster

Has he folded yet.:D

Not targeted at anyone but it's funny how the initial launch stats brought loads of negative comments but since they've been selling it's looks like it's a very good/capable card :D.

Am tempted to pick up one myself but just won't be using it much
 
Not targeted at anyone but it's funny how the initial launch stats brought loads of negative comments but since they've been selling it's looks like it's a very good/capable card :D.

Am tempted to pick up one myself but just won't be using it much

It was the clock and cooling issue to be fair. If this card was stuck at 1750 boost I wouldn't have bought one for the 15% gain over a decent aib 1080.

Once I knew it could clock better than a 1080 and it was 30% and even 50% in doom I was sold
 
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