Pay rise Advise
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In general I'm not a fan of going over someone's head like that but it sounds like at this stage you don't have much to lose.
Why don't you just book a meeting with your manager if she's ignored your request?
More generally the problem with being significantly underpaid is even if they give you a decent pay rise you will still be underpaid. In the past I've been dissatisfied with a 7% rise and satisfied with a 1% rise, it is all relative to how much you are paid compared to the market rate for that role. There's just too much inelasticity around existing roles, you get paid £x and then you are kind of forever locked on £x +y% meaning you never reach target salary of £z unless you change jobs.
Why don't you just book a meeting with your manager if she's ignored your request?
More generally the problem with being significantly underpaid is even if they give you a decent pay rise you will still be underpaid. In the past I've been dissatisfied with a 7% rise and satisfied with a 1% rise, it is all relative to how much you are paid compared to the market rate for that role. There's just too much inelasticity around existing roles, you get paid £x and then you are kind of forever locked on £x +y% meaning you never reach target salary of £z unless you change jobs.
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Soldato
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Hello, In the pay review email i did ask to have a meeting review and she has made no reference . She basically said this what you will get, though luck .
She is using my early bonus to justify my salary has been reviewed 1% yearly but it has nothing to do with the pay rise and all the achievement i have made in my current role and positive feedbacks i have provided. She is simply abusing her power of decision
I am 100% certain that she did not ask her boss if they could squeeze more money in .Hence why i feel i got nothing to loose
Also can I mention that compared to the current inflation the salary review at 3% is very disproportionate and that my salary bonus was on average just 1-1.5% per year?
I am aware that the pay rise should be only based by performance and achievement but would i be wrong to mention this if i try to negotiate and copy her boss?
I am aware that the pay rise should be only based by performance and achievement but would i be wrong to mention this if i try to negotiate and copy her boss?
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I don't think you understood my message, she doesn't need to reference the meeting for you to book one. Depending on how you worded it she might not even realise that you expect a 'reference' to it, she might be waiting for you to book one if you really want one. Usually that's how it works, person that wants the meeting books the meeting (although good managers would sense this and be proactive of course).
When you say "abusing her power of decision" do you even know for sure that she is the sole arbiter of this? Most places I've worked, managers just get given a baseline and then they would then potentially seek exceptions to that on a case-by-case basis. It could be her HR department / system has said "Michy gets 3% raise" and she's just relaying that on because she doesn't feel you warrant more than that (for whatever reason). I've had cases where I've wanted to give people in my team bigger rises and it has not always been possible because of the restrictions enforced at a higher level.
When you say "abusing her power of decision" do you even know for sure that she is the sole arbiter of this? Most places I've worked, managers just get given a baseline and then they would then potentially seek exceptions to that on a case-by-case basis. It could be her HR department / system has said "Michy gets 3% raise" and she's just relaying that on because she doesn't feel you warrant more than that (for whatever reason). I've had cases where I've wanted to give people in my team bigger rises and it has not always been possible because of the restrictions enforced at a higher level.
Unfortunately it does not work quite like that , I am working remotely and a meeting or a Teams meetings need to be scheduled by her because she is overwhelmed with work and she has no life although she has a family and kids.
I know for sure that she didn't consult HR and this is her solely decision because She tried to fail me over so many years and tried to get me to resign by bullying me and picking on me for so long. She managed to get other employees under her to resign and used her sexuality to climb her career within a company by luring the big male bosses above her .She works very hard and she is a good slave to my company as she is not well retributed for what she does but she has no people skills and she manages many departments
HR and other departments like payroll are practically inexistent in my company as there is one person looking after 10000 people. I know employees they had grievances and HR never followed up for months
I just would like a professional advice on how to negotiate this 3%. It seems it is so passive that I have to swallow this pill just because .... she saying so ...I got nothing to lose , nothing.
Why do I have to change job because of her when in fact i like my job , the people i interact with and all i am asking is fairness in my salary ?
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Because it sounds like you almost certainly won't get what you want at your current job.
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And if you do and you've done it by going over her head I imagine the environment is going to get a lot more toxic.
In a perfect world I'd be all for saying go for it get what you deserve, but in the real world it's not always that easy or worth the stress. If she's a ingrained as you say to the business they probably don't want her going anywhere.
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There is no perfect world anywhere and i wish her a successful career but still i want to fight my cause . I didn't copied her boss and i just approached her nicely but i feel I will have maybe a better chance asking for a negotiation by copying her reporting boss.
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So in summary:
- You have a bad relationship with your boss
- She has a history of bad relationships in the company
- She is too busy to have a 20min Teams call with you as part of your annual review (and you are not permitted to book meetings with her in general)
- There is no HR department to speak of
- You are underpaid
- You are seeking a pay rise that will at best pay you market rates
- There is no evidence that you will get this pay rise from her
- She uses her sexuality to influence those above her who might be able to influence the salary
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Does anything give you any indication that her boss is likely to respond differently? Their view of you and your performance is almost certainly through the lens of what she presents them anyway, as this place sounds so big you'd not really be on their radar on a personal level.
I suspect they (your manager, their boss etc.) view your job as something easy to backfill and so see little value in entertaining any negotiations etc. with you - you'll either put up with what you've got as you've done for 14 years or you'll leave and they'll replace you.
Nothing i've read in this thread, without trying to be rude, makes you seem like an employee your business or the management staff value for retention, so go and demonstrate your worth somewhere else.
I suspect they (your manager, their boss etc.) view your job as something easy to backfill and so see little value in entertaining any negotiations etc. with you - you'll either put up with what you've got as you've done for 14 years or you'll leave and they'll replace you.
Nothing i've read in this thread, without trying to be rude, makes you seem like an employee your business or the management staff value for retention, so go and demonstrate your worth somewhere else.
Do it then, if you've hit a brick wall with her then go above her head and give it a shot* but I'd also recommend you start throwing out job applications elsewhere too as you might well find it's rejected.
Find some relevant datapoints which show objectively you're underpaid (you can do a bit of cherrypicking here) as that your pay is reviewed/marked to market as you haven't had a pay rise in years and throw in a mention of the current rate of inflation too, point out that currently, the small rise you've got is still a pay cut.
But do get your CV out there to other employers too, do this now and try to get some interviews lined up, don't wait until it is resolved as you want other options to be there quite quickly after doing this.
Soldato
Yep.
Fighting your cause will also end up ******* her off, so you have to be prepared for that backlash.
I don't see your desire to stay, personally. You aren't paid market rate and your boss is a dick, yet you want to stay? Regardless of how comfortable the other parts of the job/people are, changing those things won't happen if you don't move.
If you go above your bosses head, and get the pay rise, your boss will be ******. If you go above her head and dont get it, you'll be seen as the one who goes above your bosses head and she'll still be ******.
Yet you're fighting leaving?
The really brutal truth is that you want something but aren't prepared to do what it takes to get it. Maybe you aren't worth that extra pay...
She has a new boss and it is a very recent change. the previous boss let her do whatever she wanted . With this one , she needs still to prove herself so i thought maybe .
Yes you are right ... for my company i am just a number and they do not value people at all . They won't replace me for sure, they will just overload more people with more work
I know it is time to go but as i said i wanted to try to get a little more while I am searching a job.
Thank you for the useful advise , I do appreciate it .This is exactly what i am doing , i just wanted an advise about mentioning the inflation as it is not performance related .In her reply she stated my starting salary compared to now to justify that my salary has been reviewed yearly .It almost sounds like she is insulting me strategically because on average i got 1.5% increase which it never compared with the inflation but this year is different because it went through the roof
I have already started to get the ball rolling in the job search for a while .. . Had already few phone calls and I am currently getting my CV professionally revised just to boost it a little bit more
Thank you again
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At this stage on my life , i do not care if i **** her off because what she did to me in so many years ... made feel suicidal many times ...
It is too easy to point finger on random people when you do not know the insights..... I am here to ask an advise how can I negotitate a payrise not be judged or insulted
Thank you
This is a bit muddled, you said previously that was a bonus but now you're talking about it being a salary increase????