I sent an email to my manager to request a pay rise/salary review which i did not get since 2018 when i was nominated by my colleagues and won an award . My manager replied that I had a salary review every year but she is referring to the 1-1.5% bonus I received yearly which is based on the company performance rather than my performance , achievements and goals. So she using the bonus as a Salary review but they are 2 completely different things
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Soldato
If this is accurate, I would definitely look for a new job. I'd definitely also not reveal my current salary to my potential new employer as they could just offer you less than what other people are paid.
OP mentioned that they have a disability, I'd find an employer that can cater for that as part of the search.
OK but you just said "increase" in the previous post. So when you say "bonus" do you mean a one-off payment or you mean your salary has increased by that amount?
Soldato
I think he's saying he got increases for inflation, but also got a bonus, which is what his boss is referring to in their exchange.
I think... it's not totally clear.
Find another job.
I only got a bonus once a year which is around 1%-1.5% per year ... basically peanuts
In 2018 I had a pay rise around 2% plus an early bonus 1%
one off payment -yearly bonus 1%-1.5%
I would correct your boss in writing then. Tell her you haven't had a salary review since 2018 as a one-off bonus is not a change in salary, although of course it is possible you had pay reviews the past four years and received nothing which should be ringing alarm bells anyway if you are underpaid. If she won't acknowledge this fact, then that's maybe the time to copy in the Boss/HR to query this error.
Just to clarify a bonus is not the same as pay rise . A bonus is discretionary based on the company performance and yes it was paid into my salary so if we want to generalize the terminology it is a salary "review" but in my case, on average, it is more a pay cut as it was only 1-1.5%
What I requested to my manager, it is a pay rise / salary review based on my achievements , additional duties and performance .She replied that the salary review for this year is around 3% but this is purely referred to the company performance with the client and not my personal development and goals which have stated to her in bullet points , along with the clients positive feedbacks. She did not make even a single reference to this but said that for this year my salary will not be reviewed.
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OK I feel like this discussion is going round in circles as a couple of people have have tried to clarify this, I'll try and be as simple and as explicit as possible.
Based on what you have stated, you have NOT had a salary review. A bonus is not a salary review.
Your salary has remained unchanged since 2018.
You have requested a salary review, but your boss has incorrectly stated that the bonus was the salary review.
If your boss refuses to acknowledge that you have not had a salary review, this needs to be raised with HR in the first instance. You've stated this is just one person so if you don't get anywhere with that, bring it to the attention of the senior management.
Based on what you have stated, you have NOT had a salary review. A bonus is not a salary review.
Your salary has remained unchanged since 2018.
You have requested a salary review, but your boss has incorrectly stated that the bonus was the salary review.
If your boss refuses to acknowledge that you have not had a salary review, this needs to be raised with HR in the first instance. You've stated this is just one person so if you don't get anywhere with that, bring it to the attention of the senior management.
Almost spot on .. my salary has changed because the bonus is paid on my salary yearly so as a result my salary increased couple £100 but it is not a Pay rise
As far I am aware a pay rise is not compulsory hence why i was seeking advise on how to approach a negotiation with her proving that her point is invalid . Also 3% gross does not even cover 1/3 of the inflation rate in London so it is peanuts
Of course it is time for me to move on but i need to try to get more until i am there
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Soldato
If it increased your salary, is that carried on for the next year? Otherwise it doesn't increase your salary, it gives you a one off payment each year, which isn't salary.
If it does get added to your salary, and is also on your next year base, it is an increase.
You are really not very clear at articulating this to be honest.
If your salary has increased permanently, it is a pay rise.
By the sounds of it, you're not really equipped for negotiating. As I've said already, you need to fix your relationship with your manager if you want to get what you want, and going into a discussion with them aiming to 'prove her point is invalid' is a lost cause before you even begin.
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As above, you need to fix your relationship with your manager. Even if they are entirely 100% in the wrong (which is unlikely, judging by your posts), the onus is on you to repair the relationship, or move on.
Ahhhh... I asked about this on the first page and again recently as it seems muddled, now it's bugging me a bit as it still isn't clear what you're referring to when you use these terms, you muddled it further a few posts back too when talking about reasons for the "bonus" (company performance etc..) but also talked of an increase so it's not clear if you actually mean you had some pay rise (which you've called a bonus) but think it's something separate because it was a general pay rise unrelated to your personal performance???
This is further confusing things, can you answer without mentioning the additional stuff? Whether a salary increase is some company-wide thing or whether it is the result of your individual performance doesn't change whether or not it is a salary increase.
I'll try to give two examples, Joe and Fred both earn say £30,000 in 2018 and work for different companies, at the end of the year they have a salary review. Joe gets a salary increase and Fred gets a bonus, each year Joe's salary increase is 1.5% aside from the end of 2022 where it's 3%, Fred's bonuses are the same percentage but he has no salary increase so.... these are their earnings.
Joe:
2018 £30,000 + 0 bonus
2019 £30,450 + 0 bonus
2020 £30,907 + 0 bonus
2021 £31,370 + 0 bonus
2022 £31,841 + 0 bonus
2023 £32,796 + 0 bonus
Fred:
2018 £30,000 + £450 bonus
2019 £30,000 + £450 bonus
2020 £30,000 + £450 bonus
2021 £30,000 + £450 bonus
2022 £30,000 + £900 bonus
2023 £30,000 + unknown bonus at end of year
To be clear a bonus is separate to your salary and doesn't increase, an increase to your salary (whether it is some general company-wide increase or some increase based on personal merit) is not a bonus.
That's what people are trying to clarify here.
To All of you , I don't understand why are you making it so complicated?
I explained that the bonus it was added on top of my salary therefore as a result my salary has increased only few £ 100 , PEANUTS ...... It was only 1% per year .Whether you want to call it bonus, salary review/salary increase ,IT IS NOT A PAY RISE
As i explained several times ,This bonus is not based on my performance and achievements but rather a company performance hence why I approached my manager about asking a pay rise . I hope tit is clear for all
The point i also raised with her , It is that based on my job role and experience, the midpoint salary should be around 10% more .So whether i took a salary increase of 1% and you want to call it salary review ,I am still underpaid.
I explained that the bonus it was added on top of my salary therefore as a result my salary has increased only few £ 100 , PEANUTS ...... It was only 1% per year .Whether you want to call it bonus, salary review/salary increase ,IT IS NOT A PAY RISE
As i explained several times ,This bonus is not based on my performance and achievements but rather a company performance hence why I approached my manager about asking a pay rise . I hope tit is clear for all
The point i also raised with her , It is that based on my job role and experience, the midpoint salary should be around 10% more .So whether i took a salary increase of 1% and you want to call it salary review ,I am still underpaid.
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The problem is you are making it complicated by not explaining it clearly enough
What was your salary for the first year you worked for the company EXCLUDING the bonus (or whatever you want to call it)
What was your salary for the last year EXCLUDING the bonus (or whatever you want to call it)
If those 2 amounts are the same number, then you haven't had a pay rise, but if they are different, then you have had a pay rise - even if it is only 0.1% it is still a pay rise because your base salary has increased
What was your salary for the first year you worked for the company EXCLUDING the bonus (or whatever you want to call it)
What was your salary for the last year EXCLUDING the bonus (or whatever you want to call it)
If those 2 amounts are the same number, then you haven't had a pay rise, but if they are different, then you have had a pay rise - even if it is only 0.1% it is still a pay rise because your base salary has increased
We're not, you are, it's still not clear, perhaps you could re-read the previous post giving you an explanation and clarify as this is still muddled.
You're contradicting yourself here, do you mean it's not a very big pay rise? If your salary has increased then you have had a pay rise, if you've been paid a bonus then you haven't, you keep on confusing the two and it's still unclear.
See the two scenarios I posted - is the situation you're trying to describe more like Joe or Fred?
Soldato
I don't know how he's made this so complicated and contradictory?!
For that reason, I'm out.
Because these two statements can't both be true.
If you got a bonus, your salary did not increase.
If your salary increased, it was a pay rise not a bonus.
Which one was it?
