PC gone mad

kylew said:
What is with this obsession of being proud of the country you were born in and loving the flag? National pride is a load of rubbish, it literally makes no sense.

Yes, I like living in the UK and I enjoy my life here, but I don't have "national pride", and I'd never fight for the country or any of that nonsense.

I don't see the problem with flying the Union Flag all year around, I don't find it offensive but I don't understand why people are obsessed with it and I do think people misuse the whole flag thing and act like it means something it doesn't which is why you get the likes of the EDL and BNP circle jerking over the Union Flag. It's only a symbol, it's meaningless unless you yourself decide to place importance upon it.

That kinda leads into my opinion of the poppy burning. Burning poppies is meaningless unless you choose to give it meaning and take offence, the people burning poppies don't offend me I just think they're idiots who've got nothing better to do and clearly don't know the history of their own people, never mind that of the UK population. If those burning poppies were ignored they wouldn't bother doing it but the people who get outraged about it are basically reacting exactly how they want people to react.
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Disagreed with you many times before, but you can't deny some bullet proof logic. Great post.
 
[TW]Fox;20567028 said:
It's amazing the attitude people in this country have towards our flag. Go to America and many rednecks proudly fly the American flag. Even bus companies display it on the side of buses.

Yet over here it's perceived completely differently :(
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Fixed.

I fail to see the obsession with a piece of cloth tied to a pole, it's a meaningless label glued to various bits of land on a map.

Flag wavers usually tend to be either terrorists, or xenophobic nationalists - both of which I despise.
 
kylew said:
What is with this obsession of being proud of the country you were born in and loving the flag? National pride is a load of rubbish, it literally makes no sense.

Yes, I like living in the UK and I enjoy my life here, but I don't have "national pride", and I'd never fight for the country or any of that nonsense.

I don't see the problem with flying the Union Flag all year around, I don't find it offensive but I don't understand why people are obsessed with it and I do think people misuse the whole flag thing and act like it means something it doesn't which is why you get the likes of the EDL and BNP circle jerking over the Union Flag. It's only a symbol, it's meaningless unless you yourself decide to place importance upon it.

That kinda leads into my opinion of the poppy burning. Burning poppies is meaningless unless you choose to give it meaning and take offence, the people burning poppies don't offend me I just think they're idiots who've got nothing better to do and clearly don't know the history of their own people, never mind that of the UK population. If those burning poppies were ignored they wouldn't bother doing it but the people who get outraged about it are basically reacting exactly how they want people to react.
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You could apply this logic to anything in life and it would make it a very boring place to be. What's the point in love? It's meaningless, just reproduce and be done with it. What's the point in following a football team? You only care because you choose to care.

I have national pride, that doesn't mean I support the BNP, EDL or any other groups of extremist idiots.

A lot of things don't make sense if you overanalyse them. If you remove them all we would live in a very empty world.
 
cheets64 said:
Sure go for it when you are back in the Caribbean :mad:
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I did LOL when I saw the interview with that bloke on TV. His final comment "This is supposed to be a multi-cultural nation, I mean, why not fly the Caribbean flag?".

BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT IN THE CARIBBEAN.

I really don't understand why people living in this country should be somehow ashamed of flying, or afraid to fly, their own national flag lest it offend somebody. It's just crazy.

I don't personally find any validity in being genuinely "proud" of your nationality -- like you had some kind of hand in determining it in the first place -- but a country's flag is it's national identity. A mark on a map, sure, but it's a mark on a map that defines that country worldwide, and there should never be any reason not to see it when within that country's territory.
 
Elixir said:
Those of you who say you don't see any point in national pride, do you have pride in your family name?
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Not particularly. It's just a name and (in my case) doesn't represent much. I am proud of my family members themselves though, and myself occasionally.
 
mollymoo said:
Even if your proud?
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I'm proud of personal achievements - things I've actually done.

Not genetic or geographical accidents.

I also refused to try to absorb pride vicariously through other people (famous dead people like Churchill for example) - because quite frankly it's a pretty mental thing to do.
 
I thought this was going to be a thread about HAL from 2001:A Space Odyssey

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elmarko1234 said:
But what have you actually done to be proud of?
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What have I done? As in personal pride? A few things... nothing out of the ordinary... but my family pride comes from what my father has done, what his father did, etc etc. I am proud of the effort that was put in over the generations to give my family what it has today.
 
elmarko1234 said:
I'm proud of personal achievements - things I've actually done.

Not genetic or geographical accidents.

I also refused to try to absorb pride vicariously through other people (famous dead people like Churchill for example) - because quite frankly it's a pretty mental thing to do.
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Would you not cheer on an English football team in a tournament final, or a british athlete in an olympic final?
 
Look its simple. Flying the flag = Loving your country = other countries arent as great = other people from other countries arent as great = racism.
Flying your flag, supporting your country in sporting events / olympics, these things may seam good but they lead to evil! We need to start looking at the world as the world, not a world of countries!!!!
Roll of the revolution!
 
[TW]Fox;20567028 said:
It's amazing the attitude people in this country have towards our flag. Go to America and many households proudly fly the American flag. Even bus companies display it on the side of buses.

Yet over here it's perceived completely differently :(
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While I understand the point I think there's probably a happy medium between what you could generalise as the American approach to nationalism and the British approach. I'm not hugely comfortable with overly jingoistic approaches to nationality or the belief that you must support your country regardless of whether you believe it to be right or wrong in what it does.
 
[TW]Fox;20567028 said:
It's amazing the attitude people in this country have towards our flag. Go to America and many households proudly fly the American flag. Even bus companies display it on the side of buses.

Yet over here it's perceived completely differently :(
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When I stayed in San Francisco a few years back I counted 57 flags flying from just one of our hotel windows.

A guy up our street has a Union jack flying all year round.
 
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