Pentagon releases UFO footage

[Pottsey]

If the model says it happens on April 4th (as she did in the interview with the media, and is the same date it appeared on the crypto site and apparently her instagram)

Why does the YouTuber Astrum have a thumbnail of what appears to be a picture of the exact same object, on March 17th, for his video about flying saucers?

Have you got a source directly to her saying that in an interview? Could it be a translation mistake or some rubbish media site making up nonsense to pad out an article like they do? Just had a quick look and I could not find a direct quote of her saying that. Where did you spot that interview?

As for YouTube where is your source? Is it the same picture or just similar? One of the reasons this is so popular is the object match's the other UFO's reported by the military and other people. If its just similar that would be expected if these are real. If its the same why would that be a problem if its after the point it was recorded?

 

[Felon]

As for YouTube where is your source? Is it the same picture or just similar?

It’s the exact same object, in the same light in the same position.. go to his channel and look.

How has he (Astrum) obtained that image on or before march 17th, when the first time the Mexico ufo video appeared on the internet, was April 4th.

 

[keyser van someone]

I wouldn't put much too much faith in the audio of a video taken on a mobile phone from the cockpit of a plane... was the audio changing pitch while the camera was being moved around?

 

[cainer]

It’s the exact same object, in the same light in the same position.. go to his channel and look.

How has he (Astrum) obtained that image on or before march 17th, when the first time the Mexico ufo video appeared on the internet, was April 4th.

He could have changed the thumbnail to his video at a later date to try and grab some extra views,
did he discuss the incident in his March 17th video? if not then the above is quite likely

 

[Pottsey]

It’s the exact same object, in the same light in the same position.. go to his channel and look.

How has he (Astrum) obtained that image on or before march 17th, when the first time the Mexico ufo video appeared on the internet, was April 4th.

Since when was the 4th the first time the UFO video appear on the internet? I have seen no evidence from a direct source that Valentina said it happened on the 4th or that is was uploaded on the 4th. If there is some evidence please share.

As I said before I thought your narrative about “how the video first appeared on a twitter account dealing with Crypto and NFTs and was tagging the usual suspects for Aliens (Jeremy Corbell)” “the moment it appears, it's instantly tagging known UFO foamers right off the bat..” was incorrect. The video didn’t first appear on Crypto Twitter and the usual suspect where not tagged in. All I can find is that the English speaking community picked up on the video on or around the 4th and pasted it to Twitter around that time.

Assuming Astrum didn't change the thumbnail at a later date. The video and event was going around the Spanish speaking community first and predates the English Twitter Crypto post. In which case is it really a surprise that Astrum who is a Spanish speaker and active in the Spanish community picked up on the UFO story before all the English Speaking people did? If anything Astrum helps prove that this video was around before the English Crypto and NFTs post on Twitter and your narrative that its linked to Crypto is incorrect. We are 100% sure that the story predates that Twitter post which calls in question your debunk idea based on that Twitter post.

I wouldn't put much too much faith in the audio of a video taken on a mobile phone from the cockpit of a plane... was the audio changing pitch while the camera was being moved around?

At this point I have to question have you watched the video with sound on or did you do what you did last time where you let it "wash over you" as you didn't think it was real. Yes there is an audio changing pitch from the object as it flys by on approach and pass's by. Since when do balloons do that? Are you just going to ignore all the evidence its not a balloon and stick with "its a balloon"? The sound is one of the many reasons we know its not a balloon. Faking that type of sound is near impossible which is one of the convincing things about the video along with the fact it matches the reports from the military about the objects.

 

[keyser van someone]

At this point I have to question have you watched the video with sound on or did you do what you did last time where you let it "wash over you" as you didn't think it was real. Yes there is an audio changing pitch from the object as it flys by on approach and pass's by. Since when do balloons do that? Are you just going to ignore all the evidence its not a balloon and stick with "its a balloon"? The sound is one of the many reasons we know its not a balloon. Faking that type of sound is near impossible which is one of the convincing things about the video along with the fact it matches the reports from the military about the objects.

You are absolutely right. I had a think about this one. The airplane engine is making noise, that noise it travelling in all directions at the speed of sound. Sound can reflect off objects, just like light. Objects such as a balloon So you are hearing the sound of the engine bouncing (I think science prefers to term reflected) off the balloon! And to add to that the weird noise it seems to be making is it's also heavily doppler shifted. Boom science.

I heard the video a few times but tbh I can't anything over the noise of the engine.

 

[arctine]

You are absolutely right. I had a think about this one. The airplane engine is making noise, that noise it travelling in all directions at the speed of sound. Sound can reflect off objects, just like light. Objects such as a balloon So you are hearing the sound of the engine bouncing (I think science prefers to term reflected) off the balloon! And to add to that the weird noise it seems to be making is it's also heavily doppler shifted. Boom science.

I heard the video a few times but tbh I can't anything over the noise of the engine.

If you listen carefully you can hear a noise that sounds like air being moved as the object approaches. It gets louder as the object gets closer and rings out after it passes. This is the noise observed when an aircraft makes a pass and yes it will exhibit the Doppler effect because the origin of the sound is moving.

The sound produced from the plane being reflect back by an object would be very hard to hear. It’s going to be a harmonic frequency of the sound you’re already hearing with a MUCH lower amplitude and would be washed out. The object that the sound is returning from would need to substantially bigger in order to notice any real change in what you’re hearing. If it was bigger and you did hear it, it would sound similar to a loud noise in a tunnel but with less echo as the sound is escaping in almost all directions.

I’m not convinced by the video but your argument about the sound is reaching.

 

[Pottsey]

You are absolutely right. I had a think about this one. The airplane engine is making noise, that noise it travelling in all directions at the speed of sound. Sound can reflect off objects, just like light. Objects such as a balloon So you are hearing the sound of the engine bouncing (I think science prefers to term reflected) off the balloon! And to add to that the weird noise it seems to be making is it's also heavily doppler shifted. Boom science.

I heard the video a few times but tbh I can't anything over the noise of the engine.

As Arctine said and I said before you can hear the soundwave from the object as its approaches from the speed it is moving not just the reflection of the plane bouncing. Balloons don't do that nor do balloons go though the wake of the plane and survive without being effected which is something you seem to want to ignore. If its a balloon how to you explain that away? While I am not convinced this is an alien craft the one thing I am convinced about is its not a balloon. None of the evidence matches a balloon. Its too high up with too cold a temperature and the sound waves match a physical object moving at high speed not a tiny balloon drifting in the wind. For it to be a balloon it would have to be a balloon that breaks the laws of physics and everyone on the plane must be lying though there teeth about the event. Based on current evidence I am not buying into this balloon nonsense as a means to write off the video.

 

[keyser van someone]

The footage I watch is 19secs long and the balloon passes by. I hear 'something' but sounds more like wind noise. I don't see a plane wake either and the ballon is gone way past at that point.

It’s going to be a harmonic frequency of the sound you’re already hearing

I don't think this can be true if the source of the noise (the plane engine) is constantly changing. The wave peaks won't aline with each other, not at least in the same place, which is moot because the camera is in a plane at 200mph. Summary: Camera 200mph. Engine 200mpg. Balloon carried by the wind 25mph whichever direction. Distance from balloon to camera will be changing.

a MUCH lower amplitude and would be washed out

Probably true.

Balloons don't do that nor do balloons go though the wake of the plane and survive without being effected which is something you seem to want to ignore.

The wake of a plane is way behind the wing tips and beyond the scope of the video I watched (19 secs).

Snoopy video again, check out the paraglider wake! https://youtu.be/CPdi2GaLz_o?t=81

Found a video, if you can hear some sound reflections in this as the plane passes the objects then I could be on to something. I can't hear any difference but then I can't in the other video either The ground might interfere with the reflected noise though.

 

[Pottsey]

The footage I watch is 19secs long and the balloon passes by. I hear 'something' but sounds more like wind noise. I don't see a plane wake either and the ballon is gone way past at that point.


I don't think this can be true if the source of the noise (the plane engine) is constantly changing. The wave peaks won't aline with each other, not at least in the same place, which is moot because the camera is in a plane at 200mph. Summary: Camera 200mph. Engine 200mpg. Balloon carried by the wind 25mph whichever direction. Distance from balloon to camera will be changing.


Probably true.

The wake of a plane is way behind the wing tips and beyond the scope of the video I watched (19 secs).

Snoopy video again, check out the paraglider wake! https://youtu.be/CPdi2GaLz_o?t=81

So basically, you think everyone on the plane is lying with their testimony, somehow you cannot hear and see what everyone else can in the video so you don’t believe it. Also, all the other videos are fake. The Governments, Congress, Senators, Presidents, Pentagon and military personal and everyone else who confirmed these objects are real and flying around are all lying or faking it. The new improved radar systems that are picking up these objects on mass are also fake. That seems to sum up your viewpoint. That everyone is lying all over the world and all the evidence is fake. Even when given footage from multiple fighter pilots in different events backed up by testimony, radar and video you won’t believe it. Even when President Obama gave an interview and spoke about how these UAP objects are real you refused to believe it. All evidence posted in this thread before.

At this point we should be well past the point of saying are UFO’s/UAPs real and instead moving onto what are they instead of pretending they are balloons when they are not. As I said many times I am not convinced they are aliens but they are real physical objects of some sort flying around that is more then just balloons. You just need to watch the recent congress briefing to see the objects are real and not balloons.

The footage from the military drones proves what ever these objects are they are not balloons. (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4Bt6_Potk5Q) let me guess that fast moving silver orb that is flying too fast to be a balloon being tracked by a military drone is somehow also fake and a balloon? This event was confirmed by Congress and the Military as being real. So how are you going to explain that one away? Its not a drone, plane nor a balloon and seems to move without any clear propulsion just like many of the other reported UAPs. They flat out say its not a recent phenomenon and its been going on from a long time.

What do you make of the senators who came out of the recent classified Congress UAP briefly and said the UAPs are real and date back years. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-after-classified-hearing-on-ufos/vi-AA17w6pa is he and all the others lying as well? He very clearly talks about the difference between the UAPs and spy balloons.

EDIT:
"What is true, and I'm actually being serious here, there's footage and records of objects in the skies, that we don't know exactly what they are.
Barack Obama, Former US President"

Intelligence director John Ratcliffe said.

“Frankly, there are a lot more sightings than have been made public,”

“Some of those have been declassified. And when we talk about sightings, we are talking about objects that have been seen by navy or air force pilots, or have been picked up by satellite imagery, that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for.

“Or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom.”

“Multiple sensors that are picking up these things. They’re unexplained phenomenon, and there’s actually quite a few more than have been made public."

Given where these comments are coming from what do you make of this? Its not like you can write all this off as just balloons.

 

[keyser van someone]

So basically, you think everyone on the plane is lying with their testimony

I'm not sure I'd class it as a 'testimony' that makes it sound more important than it actually. But I don't know about the background to this, all I can do is watch the video footage of the claims.

These things are very messily reported and cataloged. That's not my problem.

You're coming at this from the angle of 'this must be x', take a step back, outside of UFO Reddit channel, not many people really have an opinion about what this is. It's shiny and cool looking.

Wasn't there a recent UAP report released? I read that it was a bit boring, which might explain why we're back to this type of video.

 

[Felon]

He could have changed the thumbnail to his video at a later date to try and grab some extra views,
did he discuss the incident in his March 17th video? if not then the above is quite likely

Yeah I mean that's fair enough, I suppose he probably just changed it to get a bunch of extra clicks..

So basically, you think everyone on the plane is lying with their testimony, somehow you cannot hear and see what everyone else can in the video so you don’t believe it. Also, all the other videos are fake. The Governments, Congress, Senators, Presidents, Pentagon and military personal and everyone else who confirmed these objects are real and flying around are all lying or faking it. The new improved radar systems that are picking up these objects on mass are also fake. That seems to sum up your viewpoint. That everyone is lying all over the world and all the evidence is fake. Even when given footage from multiple fighter pilots in different events backed up by testimony, radar and video you won’t believe it. Even when President Obama gave an interview and spoke about how these UAP objects are real you refused to believe it. All evidence posted in this thread before.

The problem is two things are happening.

1. We all know UFOs/UAPs exist, there are always going to be things flying around where we have no idea what they are, balloons, drones, migrating birds, garbage bags, etc etc. Sometimes they show up on radar, sometimes people see them from planes - they generally do nothing other than "float about" and remain unidentified.

2. The flying saucer community, go absolutely mental when they see one of these blobs, immediatley claiming it's aliens, anti-grav, secret technology, or some exotic scary weird thing, when in reality all we see is a blob on a screen doing nothing, literally every single time. The media and flying-saucer people get hold of these claims, and amplify them into nonsense and conflate them with other videos of different things, whipping everything up into a frenzy just to get clicks and make money - who cares whether it's real or not, the money coming in is very real.

Off of the back of this hullabaloo, the government come out and correctly confirm that these unidentified objects do exist (because they do). They put out a woolly, vague statement saying they'll try to improve their detection and identification capabilities due to security risks, and risks to aviation etc - which seems like a good idea. It's worth noting, especially in the US that half of the people involved in these investigations (US senators and politicians weighing in with opinions) know nothing about anything - because they're from the government, they're idiots for the most part.

You then have the likes of yourself and others, who write 1000+ posts basically twisting what the government has said, which is "Yes these things exist" to "Yes these exotic, anti-grav, experimental, unknown objects exist"

 

[Pottsey]

“You then have the likes of yourself and others, who write 1000+ posts basically twisting what the government has said, which is "Yes these things exist" to "Yes these exotic, anti-grav, experimental, unknown objects exist"

Accept the people who have ben twisting words and making up fake narratives are you and Keyser. The governments came out and said the UFO’s what every they are, have technology beyond our currently capability. Look what the Intelligence director said or look at the recent congress briefings about UFO’s whey they say they are real and not balloons.

“that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for.”
“Or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom.”
That seems pretty clear to me. How am I twisting those words? Are you just going to site there and pretend they are talking about balloons, birds and garbage bags?

“when in reality all we see is a blob on a screen doing nothing, literally every single time.”

Accept that’s not true is it. How about the military footage I just posted that shows the orb flying without any clear means of propulsion in a perfect line at high speeds. Its not a plane, drone or balloon, migrating birds, garbage bag or any of the other nonsense you make up. Its confirmed real by the military so you cannot pretend its fake. It’s not doing nothing. How do you explain that?

 

[Felon]

The governments came out and said the UFO’s what every they are, have technology beyond our currently capability.

No they haven't.

The official report said this: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

In 18 incidents, described in 21 reports, observers reported unusual UAP movement patterns or flight characteristics.
Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernable means of propulsion. In a small
number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio frequency (RF) energy associated with UAP sightings.
The UAPTF holds a small amount of data that appear to show UAP demonstrating acceleration or a degree of signature management.
Additional rigorous analysis are necessary by multiple teams or groups of technical experts to determine the nature and validity of these data

Firstly, these came from observer reports, lastly they say they don't know what they are.

This means they don't know, if they don't know what they are, they can't possibly say whether or not this is breakthrough technology, because they don't know, ergo: they need to do more work to try to find out.

You're so obsessed with these things being some sort of super-duper advanced secret thing, that you're getting carried away.

How about the military footage I just posted that shows the orb flying without any clear means of propulsion in a perfect line at high speeds.

It doesn't really look like anything, it just looks like a ball floating across the screen - that's all it looks like, it's not doing anything special.

 

[Pottsey]

I'm not sure I'd class it as a 'testimony' that makes it sound more important than it actually. But I don't know about the background to this, all I can do is watch the video footage of the claims.

These things are very messily reported and cataloged. That's not my problem.

You're coming at this from the angle of 'this must be x', take a step back, outside of UFO Reddit channel, not many people really have an opinion about what this is. It's shiny and cool looking.

Wasn't there a recent UAP report released? I read that it was a bit boring, which might explain why we're back to this type of video.

If you don't like the word testimony replace it with interviews. The background was provided for you and the links so I have no idea why you can only watch the video. As for taking a step back I think that's something you need to do, as throughout this thread you have not watched something properly as you decided it wasn't real before you watched it. That you come up with "this must be x" and you lock onto that X idea despite all the evidence showing its not what you say it is. Its very clear your skipping over many of the links, videos and information and coming at this from a set angle of its not real.

As for the UAP reports. You mean the recent UAP reports where officials have they said they are real, are not balloons and asked questions on how they are disabling military missiles and talking about them displaying technology beyond our current means? They said over half of the objects are round metallic spheres being silver/translucent in colour, around 1 to 4 meters in size. No Thermal exhaust detected but moving at speeds up to Mach2 which rules our birds, balloons, garbage, drones and planes. Pretty much always in the 15k to 25k foot altitude range although they did say that is where most of our sensors are.

Noticed how this discerption matches the UFO video from the plane we have been talking about? Going on with the facts they said the UAP characteristic and behaviour are consistent region to region. They then went on to show a blow-up of a metallic orb. Called is a spherical object and gave us the military footage of the spherical object flying. This seems interesting to me. How can you call that boring?

Another interesting bit is the pentagon is investigating a UFO incident that according to reports turned off ten nuclear warheads and blast test missiles at military sites. This was backed up by U.S. Air Force personnel and official documentation which all talk about the event in a consistent manner. You might think its a joke but everyone else seems to be taking is seriously and acting like its real.

 

[Felon]

You mean the recent UAP reports where officials have they said they are real, are not balloons and asked questions on how they are disabling military missiles and talking about them displaying technology beyond our current means? They said over half of the objects are round metallic spheres being silver/translucent in colour, around 1 to 4 meters in size. No Thermal exhaust detected but moving at speeds up to Mach2 which rules our birds, balloons, garbage, drones and planes. Pretty much always in the 15k to 25k foot altitude range although they did say that is where most of our sensors are.

Where did you get that from? got a link?

 

[Pottsey]

No they haven't.

Yes they have I literally just quoted the Intelligence Director word for word.

“that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for.”
“Or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom.”

Your just making up fake narratives again like you got caught out doing before. Yes we don't know what they are and need a lot more data. Pretending they are balloons, planes, birds when its been proven they are none of these things is not helping.

"It doesn't really look like anything, it just looks like a ball floating across the screen - that's all it looks like, it's not doing anything special."
What balls do you know that are spherical and fly without any means of visible propulsion in a perfect straight line at high speeds over a reasonable distance? How is that not special? Its a real physical object that is not a a plane, known form of drone, balloon, migrating birds or garbage bag.

 

[Pottsey]

Where did you get that from? got a link?

I don't remember which meeting/event had the congress lady asking questions about the missiles being disabled. The AARO and Pentagon was to look into it and interview the Air Force veterans involved and look at the official records from the base. I think it was from around February to April this year.

In the most recent briefing they break down all the reports and go into 50%+ are metallic spheres e.c.t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIPaNVit8JU
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-after-classified-hearing-on-ufos/vi-AA17w6pa

UFO hearing: Pentagon shows declassified photos and video, clip of unexplainable floating object

The Pentagon Tuesday showcased declassified photos and video of UFOs to Congress – including a flying object without a "specific" explanation" – as lawmakers...

www.youtube.com

 

[Felon]

Yes they have I literally just quoted the Intelligence Director word for word.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

The actual full quote from the Director was this:

“Some of those have been declassified. And when we talk about sightings, we are talking about objects that have been seen by navy or air force pilots, or have been picked up by satellite imagery, that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for.

“Or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom.”

We don't really know exactly what he's talking about, or which incident he's referring to, were these just sightings and reports, or is there hard evidence?. The declassified report (which I linked) says more work is needed to know, and until that work is done - nobody knows.

You can go on about it all you like, but there's no actual evidence which has been fronted for any of this.

What balls do you know that are spherical and fly without any means of visible propulsion in a perfect straight line at high speeds over a reasonable distance? How is that not special? Its a real physical object that is not a a plane, known form of drone, balloon, migrating birds or garbage bag.

You can't really tell what it is, it could be stationary - because those military drones fly between 300-500kph - it's just parallax which makes it look like the sphere is moving fast, when in fact it looks a bit like a balloon.

This was the problem with the pentagon "gofast" video, where it's actually a bird - but because the jet is flying very fast, and parallax effect - it looks like the bird is flying at 800mph, when in fact it's going slowly.

 

[Pottsey]

You can't really tell what it is, it could be stationary - because those military drones fly between 300-500kph - it's just parallax which makes it look like the sphere is moving fast, when in fact it looks a bit like a balloon.

This was the problem with the pentagon "gofast" video, where it's actually a bird - but because the jet is flying very fast, and parallax effect - it looks like the bird is flying at 800mph, when in fact it's going slowly.

Did you watch the video? The military drone is stationary focused on the objective and the UFO then fly's by though the fixed none moving camera so we can judge its speed without the drone moving. Then the drone moves to track the object which covers more then enough ground to rule out it being just a parallax. No balloon fly's that fast in that straight a line over that amount of distance. Since when was the "gofast" video a bird? It this more fake narrative you are making up? That's the problem with you and Keyser you both come up with nonsense explanations that are made up. Then ignore the facts that don't match your explanation. I don't mind things being debunked when its logical, meets the facts and make sense. But that is not what you two do. You create made up reasons to debunk things which is as bad as the people who blindly jump to its an Alien.