Pentagon releases UFO footage

This is interesting as David appears to have the credentials for this to be real though it needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt at this stage and fact checked. Still, it’s interesting to read just because of his background and reputation. David “claims” non-human-craft have been recovered.

So apparently David Charles Grusch a decorated officer with a reputation beyond reproach talks about UAPs they recovered with exotic origin and materials. He served as a representative to the UAP Task Force from 2019-2021 and 21 to 22 co-lead UAP analysis on the task force so he has the background for the story to be true.

He also apparently spoke to the DOD to get his disclosure on record as cleared for publication. He also “turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.”

“Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”

“The existence of complex historical programs involving the coordinated retrieval and study of exotic materials, dating back to the early 20th century, should no longer remain a secret,” he said. “The majority of retrieved, foreign exotic materials have a prosaic terrestrial explanation and origin – but not all, and any number higher than zero in this category represents an undeniably significant statistical percentage.”


Given his background if its all true, where he worked and that he did an official whistleblower report to congress a lot of people are going to jump on this. Rightly so the story needs a massive amount of scrutiny but its interesting to read no matter how it turns out.
 
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Small update U.S. Congressman Tim Burchett vouches for whistleblower David Grusch https://twitter.com/timburchett/status/1665712542109384706

EDIT: https://thedebrief.org/fact-check-q-a-with-debrief-co-founder-and-investigator-tim-mcmillan-part-1/

Seems like his background checks out and key facts where factchecked and confirmed as true.

EDIT2: "Beginning in 2022, Grusch provided Congress with hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages which included specific data about the materials recovery program."
 
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I'm disappointed,

I spent like a whole hour reading through all of this stuff and basically I think it's a bunch of people just trying to give credibility to one specific person, with regards to crashed flying saucers being recovered, but no actual evidence of anything at all.

And - as usual, some of the people involved with the above articles are involved with that scam company (to the stars academy) so there are some serious red flags. (Christopher Mellon)

The story that for years, the US has been competing with other countries to find crashed flying saucers, so they can reverse engineer the technology, it's not exactly an original plot is it? I mean, whatever they found can't be that great, otherwise Elon's rockets wouldn't continue to explode and we'd all be hovering around in flying cars like the Jetsons.

The whole thing just sounds like one of those low-budget "direct to VHS" sci-fi movies, you watch at 3am in a motel..
 
The only reason the guy (David) is now coming out and is completely named in all materials is because he is protected by law thanks to the whistleblower protections act they brought into practice. There's almost certainly more to this and we've been seeing a steady move toward disclosure in recent times. The latest being named officials within the intelligence agencies, people with tracked career records that go far and beyond what any normal person would ever be capable of, and he's spoken under oath to congress too so the consequences if any of what he's saying turns out to be false will only lead to stiff punishments under US law.

So let's wait and see where all this leads, the news is only several hours old, so plenty of time to go before things grab traction.
 
mrk said:
The only reason the guy (David) is now coming out and is completely named in all materials is because he is protected by law thanks to the whistleblower protections act they brought into practice.
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I don’t buy this idea, that the US is in possession of alien technology- which to us would be indistinguishable from actual magic.

And the only reason we’re finding out about it, is that some government officer is citing some whistleblower law that protects him, so he can just go and spill the beans on the most important discovery in the entire history of the planet, and Uncle Sam thinks it’s all hunky dory.

It just doesn’t add up, the story itself is vague, unspecific, and brings nothing in terms of evidence.

I could write a better, more interesting story about flying saucers in 15 mins without trying.
 
Screeeech said:
I could write a better, more interesting story about flying saucers in 15 mins without trying.
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But you haven't and never will. nor have you been in front of congress under oath, something that carries heavy punishment if what you say ends up being found to be false. Why would anyone, let alone someone with the credentials of this guy fabricate such a story only to then go to jail for it.

As said, there's more to this and the guy coming out isn't just speaking on behalf of some official, the guy is the official, well, former intelligence officer with a proven record and well connected.

The fact check link has already been posted, so as they did their due diligence, it's probably you worth doing some too by reading up the facts that they gathered to get to this stage as it's quite thorough and unlike any gathered before where holes could be spotted or questions raised.
 
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mrk said:
Why would anyone, let alone someone with the credentials of this guy fabricate such a story only to then go to jail for it.
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Because, as predicted - the mainstream media have now gotten hold of the story, so there’s quite a bit of money to be made.

Also, people lie under oath all the time and in order for him to get into trouble, it would have to be proven that he was telling lies.

If you fabricate a story, make the whole thing up - say you found Elvis Presley inside a crashed flying saucer, it doesn’t mean you’ll get thrown in jail, even if you testified under oath.

You’d only get into trouble if someone could prove you were telling lies, if the story you made up was sufficiently vague, obscure and nonspecific - it’s going to be very hard to actually prove someone is lying - which is what you’d need to do, to secure a criminal conviction against them.

mrk said:
The fact check link has already been posted, so as they did their due diligence, it's probably you worth doing some too by reading up the facts that they gathered to get to this stage as it's quite thorough and unlike any gathered before where holes could be spotted or questions raised.
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What facts?

I read through both of the debrief articles, and all I see are the people who run the publication, checking their own homework, I don’t see any facts at all.

And again as normal - the ugly conflict of interest is there, the debrief have this story and they’re milking the **** out of it, conveniently a few days after NASA did their session on UAPs…….. I’d assume that they’re making quite a bit of cash out of it.

And then the last problem - this idea that aliens are flying likely tens of thousands of light years in their flying saucer. Technology and intelligence beyond imagination, and they accidentally crash when they get here, I mean… seriously :cry:
 
Screeeech said:
I'm disappointed,

I spent like a whole hour reading through all of this stuff and basically I think it's a bunch of people just trying to give credibility to one specific person, with regards to crashed flying saucers being recovered, but no actual evidence of anything at all.

And - as usual, some of the people involved with the above articles are involved with that scam company (to the stars academy) so there are some serious red flags. (Christopher Mellon)

The story that for years, the US has been competing with other countries to find crashed flying saucers, so they can reverse engineer the technology, it's not exactly an original plot is it? I mean, whatever they found can't be that great, otherwise Elon's rockets wouldn't continue to explode and we'd all be hovering around in flying cars like the Jetsons.

The whole thing just sounds like one of those low-budget "direct to VHS" sci-fi movies, you watch at 3am in a motel..
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This isn’t some random person saying they worked on UAP projects, he really did. This person has creditability behind him with a proven record, good reputation is well connected and worked in the department that would have dealt with crashed UAP's. He would have had access to the data if its real.
  • He had some of the highest level of clearance with access to special access programs.
  • It’s been verified he did work on UAP projects and did work on the UAP recovery teams.
  • He followed the whistle blower process and testified before Congress under oath and handed over 100s of pages and hours of recordings as evidence and going into specifics with specific dates. Some Senators have vouched for him. This really happened. Which adds creditability to his story.
  • The punishments are very high if he stood before Congress and made all this up.
I am not saying believe him on blind faith. Just that you shouldn’t be so fast to write this one off. It needs proper scrutiny for sure and more then an automatic jump to "its fake".

As for Christopher Mellon I don’t think he really has anything to do with him. Christopher Mellon it trying to inset himself into the narrative. As for the others well they also worked in the UAP projects departments and also reported the same and one of them also leaked videos out. Perhaps the simplest explanation is they are telling the truth and are all reporting the same because it really happened. Although given the topic high levels of scrutiny are needed, and rightly so, should be demanded.

You might be disappointed but this is the most interesting UFO story to come out in years and appears to have creditability behind it. Although I don't think we should blindly jump on board.

EDIT: Is that now 3 Senators that have backed his story up?
 
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mrk said:
The only reason the guy (David) is now coming out and is completely named in all materials is because he is protected by law thanks to the whistleblower protections act they brought into practice. There's almost certainly more to this and we've been seeing a steady move toward disclosure in recent times. The latest being named officials within the intelligence agencies, people with tracked career records that go far and beyond what any normal person would ever be capable of, and he's spoken under oath to congress too so the consequences if any of what he's saying turns out to be false will only lead to stiff punishments under US law.

So let's wait and see where all this leads, the news is only several hours old, so plenty of time to go before things grab traction.
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Grusch is a lying grifter, and this will go nowhere. That's my prediction.
 
Sankari said:
Grusch is a lying grifter, and this will go nowhere. That's my prediction.
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He doesn’t appear to be a grifter at this stage. His literally had an official government job to investigate UFOs and recover crashed UAP’s. Says he had access to classified projects that had been hidden from everyone with zero oversight and its confirmed he did have access to high level classified projects via his job.

Goes on to say he was unhappy with how dangerous illegal hidden projects are without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities and says that was the reason he quit his job. Then went on to Congress and officially whistle blows the illegal projects reporting everything, apparently with lots of evidence from both paperwork and recordings taking 7 to 11 hours to go over the evdeince. Making sure he has the Inspector General for the Intelligence services as his attorney.

Instead of taking all this and bringing it as a Podcast or as a book to make money like the BS artists do. He pass’s all the information through the proper channels secretly. At this point he is losing money due to quitting his high paid job. With being backed up with the Inspector General as his attorney this to me doesn’t come across like your typical BS artists trying to make money to sell a podcast or book. Apparently Senators have already backed up his story. I say apparently as I have only seen one Senator confirm he is a credible source, not sure who the other two names are.

Of course you could turn out to be right, time will tell. But at the moment he doesn't appear to be a BS grifter. Again with the word "apparently" there are more people to come forward and more evidence. Grusch is meant to be just the first of the whistleblowers to be named.
 
did he manage to get any documentary or photographic evidence of what he's claiming before he quit? at this point i'm not seeing anything much more than Bob Lazar was saying decades ago.
 
wolfie138 said:
did he manage to get any documentary or photographic evidence of what he's claiming before he quit? at this point i'm not seeing anything much more than Bob Lazar was saying decades ago.
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We don't know precisely what he handed over only that the Senators said he was a credible source and took over 7 hours to go over everything he handed over. He was in a position to have access to the evidence if this is real as his job was to recover and analyse UAP's. He says he handed over 100's of pages, audio recording and went into detail including dates and places but it was all behind closed doors at Congress.
 
wolfie138 said:
did he manage to get any documentary or photographic evidence of what he's claiming before he quit? at this point i'm not seeing anything much more than Bob Lazar was saying decades ago.
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If he did, it's most likely still classified.

When Lazar came out they went after him and scrubbed his records from existence to try and rubbish his claims. This guys credentials seem to be legit and backed up and he had permission to speak freely about some things.

What I note is his wording, he doesn't say "alien" but "non-human origin". Androids or drones? From a different dimension? His wording implied he still knows a ot more than he was permitted to say.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
It's Uri who originally claimed many decades ago that he came from a UFO that orbited around Earth :)
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That's part of the problem. If this is real it doesn't mean all the other BS artists and nutjob stories are real yet they will be jumping on the bandwagon trying to inset them self into the narrative. Then again if this is real I guess we have to relook at some of those nutjob storeys as perhaps not being so made up after all.
 
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