Pentagon releases UFO footage

It might have been an artificial object the size of a large bird flying at a height many large birds fly at, at the speed of a large bird and with the heat signature of a large bird. Or it might have been a large bird.
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Just to Nitpick
at the speed of a large bird
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We already discussed that it "MIGHT" be possible for someone to work out the speed of the object not that this has already been confirmed.

So to correct your statement for you
It might have been an artificial object the size of a large bird flying at a height many large birds fly at, and with the heat signature of a large bird.
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But in reality whatever anyone thinks it will forever remain unidentified. No actual evidence.
 
Shac said:
My point was surely they had to visually see it first before they could get a lock with the targetting system.
Otherwise how would they even know it was there.
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I'd just rebut that by pointing out the targeting systems on a military plane are very much designed to acquire and track targets many miles before they come in to visual range, those targets would at least include Other aircraft (large) and missiles (small). Just grossly applying Nyquist you would expect a system capable of detecting and tracking missiles would have enough resolution to pick up sizeable birds.

And just for discussion,I think the conversation you are having is mainly based around the issues that no analysis was given by the Pentagon and we all agree that without direct proof it's all speculation and the categorisation of UFO is still valid.

The disparity it seems is that when it is being analysed, there are two types of analysis:
1. The 'experts' appearing on the news claiming these defy the laws of physics etc..
2. The 'experts' that are applying well known trig and knowledge of optical systems to claim they very much fit in with the known laws of physics.

The problems I see from yourself are
A. You are dismissing the second analysis type, you aren't breaking down their assumptions and maths to show why you don't believe them, you are using the argument of incredulity to do this, so this will invite a robust rebuttle.
B. You are echo'ing similar reasoning to the first analysis type, however be very very wary.. the same 'experts' you see appearing in the media are also those that regularly appear on Ancient Aliens and other such 'shows'.. Just google Ancient Aliens debunked (articles/videos) and see how dishonest they really are.. These people make a living out of peddling their 'stories'..
 
Demon said:
At least one of those is a bird:

I couldn't actually find this linked earlier in the thread (apologies if it is)
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Very interesting video, would be nice to hear from any mathematicians on his theory but seems pretty clear that if it flaps like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be aliens ;)
Like the rationale that it's pretty much the yanks showing off how good their targeting systems are to pick up a bird at that range which is cooler that the ground/sea.

That's one out of the three (probably) debunked, would be good to get similar analysis on the others which are quite different.
 
Washout said:
[..] Like the rationale that it's pretty much the yanks showing off how good their targeting systems are to pick up a bird at that range which is cooler that the ground/sea.
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It would be a good way to publicise that capability. "Here's an example of how good our kit is" would get some publicity amongst people interested in that sort of thing. "Here's a UFO!" gets vastly more publicity. That would also explain why the leaked and acknowledged clips are so short - if the point is to attract widespread attention it has to be short enough to get clicks and to ensure there's not enough information to make identification obvious. Then you can jazz it up with stories. For example, the "tic tac" story has the pilot doing multiple manouvers over a period of time to try to keep focused on the object. The video clip shows the pilot in level flight at a constant speed in a constant direction, no manouvering at all.

That's one out of the three (probably) debunked, would be good to get similar analysis on the others which are quite different.
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He's done another video since, one on the "tic tac" incident arguing that it's a passenger plane on approach for landing and explaining why.
 
Washout said:
Very interesting video, would be nice to hear from any mathematicians on his theory but seems pretty clear that if it flaps like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be aliens ;)
Like the rationale that it's pretty much the yanks showing off how good their targeting systems are to pick up a bird at that range which is cooler that the ground/sea.

That's one out of the three (probably) debunked, would be good to get similar analysis on the others which are quite different.
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Beaten to it, but here 's the link:
 
Thank you Demon I can accept your well delivered points.

Oh i am well aware of the the dangers of treating the likes of "Ancient aliens" and the like as truth :)
I watch them sometimes but always with a critical eye along with explanations of WTF and i can see what your doing!
But they can be amusing.

As an aside an employee used to watch every one of these shows plus anything youtube related to conspiracies and was totally convinced it was real.
Even to the point of refusing to believe that high flying aircraft left contrails.
It was the government spraying us all with mind altering chemicals so that we could not see the truth!

Sad really.

Of course I followed the government induced programming.

His employment was terminated.

Trenchcoat and shotgun candidate.

I am also well aware of the possibility of pranks that can be played by (and too) military pilots having had dealings in the past with a team that may (or may not) fly red aircraft.
 
Elowen said:
Is not the quality I expected, but well. What I wonder is the reason why NASA publishes that right now after so many years
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One reason put forward was that due to the sheer number of requests for this video footage, personnel are being taken away from other duties and getting bogged down with the paperwork that comes with it.

Angilion said:
He's done another video since, one on the "tic tac" incident arguing that it's a passenger plane on approach for landing and explaining why.
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The third video should be interesting - that one deals with Fravor's tic-tac and the "fleet" of high altitude, rapid descent/ascent blips that the radar operators saw.

I'm not holding my breath for alien tech being the most plausible, rational theory....
 
I've just been watching the 'Unidentified' programmes on Nowtv which features some of these videos. Very interesting how nuclear and military sites are hot spots for sightings and associated phenomenon. Is Biden going to go for full disclosure as Obama was going to, iirc.
 
dpbadger said:
I've just been watching the 'Unidentified' programmes on Nowtv which features some of these videos. Very interesting how nuclear and military sites are hot spots for sightings and associated phenomenon. Is Biden going to go for full disclosure as Obama was going to, iirc.
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We can only hope. The truth will come out eventually. I have no doubt that aliens have visited us and the governments have evidence of this.
 
dpbadger said:
I've just been watching the 'Unidentified' programmes on Nowtv which features some of these videos. Very interesting how nuclear and military sites are hot spots for sightings and associated phenomenon. Is Biden going to go for full disclosure as Obama was going to, iirc.
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Crazy how military sites, where they develop and test tech are where they're most seen.
 
Or the aliens visit these places as they want to see WTF we are doing with our new weapons, not going to visit London Bridge are they?

There was that famous one about the "ufo disables missiles"

"Retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas talks about the UFO that took US ICBMs offline."

 
dpbadger said:
I've just been watching the 'Unidentified' programmes on Nowtv which features some of these videos. Very interesting how nuclear and military sites are hot spots for sightings and associated phenomenon. Is Biden going to go for full disclosure as Obama was going to, iirc.
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Probably not because there's no such thing as Aliens who have visited Earth
 
Lysander said:
That's because you're assuming they evolved at the same rate as us and at a similar time.
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Not really. Humans have existed in some capacity for about 600,000 years. You're assuming they've visited us, so regardless of the time at which they evolved and existed that 600,000 years only accounts for 0.000044% of all time.

If they evolved at a different rate and time to us it, if anything reduces the chance of them 'visiting' us.
 
Lysander said:
You honestly think that has never happened? It's far more likely that they have than they haven't.
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We have no evidence of any form of life existing anywhere other than on Earth.
Sentient life is a big step up from the above in terms of likelihood.
Sentient life with technology so far in advance of hours that they can do interstellar (let alone intergalactic) travel is a big step up from the above in terms of likelihood.
Sentient life with such extremely advanced technology and which exists today is a big step up from the above in terms of likelihood.
Sentient life with such extremely advanced technology and which exists today and which is aware of our existence is a big step up from the above in terms of likelihood. Humanity is utterly undetectable from virtually all of the universe and physical exploration would take trillions of years and would only remain up to date if ultra long term probes were kept in place. If, for example, this completely hypothetical society took a look at Earth 4 billion years ago they wouldn't have found much of interest.


I think it's an enormous stretch to casually claim that the entire chain of unlikely events is more likely than not.

If people with extremely advanced technology exist elsewhere and if they're aware of the existence of humanity, they might do some close physical observation and if so they might be detected. Or they might not, since their technology would be so far ahead of hours that they might not need to come close to observe us or their kit might not be detectable to us. For example, maybe they could put a spaceship extremely close to Earth (only billions of miles away, in the solar system but out of sight of Earth) and send numerous tiny probes from it to do the observations. Or maybe they could be light-years away and do whatever observing they want with technology with have no understanding of and no words for. Their technology would have to be extremely advanced to make the travel possible, so we're poorly placed to speculate on its limits.

Maybe they exist. Maybe they exist now. Maybe they know we're here. Maybe they've come to have a look. Maybe they don't care enough to hide their presence and don't care enough to make contact. Maybe. Maybe not. I think that "far more likely than not" is an unsupported conclusion.
 
Raikiri said:
No it isn't. It's very likely aliens exist, but that they are advanced enough to have space travel, near enough to reach us and exist at the same time? The chance is tiny.
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I agree. The latest estimates put intelligent species in our own galaxy at 17000 light years apart. In astronomical terms that's pretty close. In practical terms it's impossibly far away....at least for our technology. We might be able to detect them but we can not communicate with them ( just takes way too long ) and we definitely can never visit them. And that's have reached the same level as us. The number who have reached a higher level is going to be even less.
Could any visit us? Who knows. The problem is that we know of no way that it's possible. I mean for a start how did they even find us? Our radio signals are about 100 light years from earth at the moment, and have another 16,900 years left before we are even detectable to them. Chances are we will not last that long. And what if there isn't any fast way to travel through space? Even at the speed of light it would take them 17,000 years to reach us after they intercept that first radio transmission from us.. so that would be 33,900 years from now. With our technology it's utterly inconceivable that they are already here.
Yep, OK, maybe, just maybe the technology does exist, but if they are that advanced I am pretty sure they would not get caught flying around America by what is to them "primitive technology". Especially knowing that we are most likely to shoot at them if we do detect them. Too many if's. I agree with you, the chances are tiny. Which does beg the question, what in God's name were those objects? I didn't realise the scale. Apparently that tic-tac they filmed was about the same size as a shipping container. 40 foot long and ten feet wide. That's one hell of a big drone!
 
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