Pentagon releases UFO footage

Yep, OK, maybe, just maybe the technology does exist, but if they are that advanced I am pretty sure they would not get caught flying around America by what is to them "primitive technology". Especially knowing that we are most likely to shoot at them if we do detect them. Too many if's.

This is generally my argument against my Dad, who is a bit of a UFO nut. If they're advanced enough to travel FTL then I don't think our rinky-dink radar systems are going to be able to track them. It's somewhat telling how much sightings have reduced since high quality digital cameras have become so widely available.

I agree with you, the chances are tiny. Which does beg the question, what in God's name were those objects? I didn't realise the scale. Apparently that tic-tac they filmed was about the same size as a shipping container. 40 foot long and ten feet wide. That's one hell of a big drone!

Fakes. Mostly.

Although 40 foot long and 10 feet wide isn't really much, drone wise. Here's one that's 80 foot long, with a 60 foot wingspan: https://robbreport.com/motors/aviation/aevum-ravn-x-largest-autonomous-drone-1234584898/
 
This is generally my argument against my Dad, who is a bit of a UFO nut. If they're advanced enough to travel FTL then I don't think our rinky-dink radar systems are going to be able to track them.

Lol.

It's a bit Hollywood. The super advanced aliens travel vast distances at enormous velocity avoiding black holes, stars, planets, massive doses of radiation, comets, asteroids, navigating with pinpoint precision to arrive at planet earth, then touchdown in a swamp and sink.
 
Lol.

It's a bit Hollywood. The super advanced aliens travel vast distances at enormous velocity avoiding black holes, stars, planets, massive doses of radiation, comets, asteroids, navigating with pinpoint precision to arrive at planet earth, then shove probes up a rednecks ass

About the first and possibly last time i'll use the "Fixed that for you", but feels appropriate
 
You honestly think that has never happened? It's far more likely that they have than they haven't.

I've watched every episode of Ancient Aliens and not one thing has ever convinced me, absolutely loads of interesting stuff but nothing concrete.
I must have watched at least 5 other UFO documentaries (as I have done constantly) over the last two weeks but nothing in them.
I want to believe but nothing yet.

Also look up Fermi Paradox.
 
Not really. Humans have existed in some capacity for about 600,000 years. You're assuming they've visited us, so regardless of the time at which they evolved and existed that 600,000 years only accounts for 0.000044% of all time.

If they evolved at a different rate and time to us it, if anything reduces the chance of them 'visiting' us.

Spot on, so if a person wants to believe the Ancient Alien theories and they came during all the old texts of the Ancients then we're talking about a time span of 5,000 years and not 600,000 years.
I'll let you do the math on that one.
 
[..] Although 40 foot long and 10 feet wide isn't really much, drone wise. Here's one that's 80 foot long, with a 60 foot wingspan: https://robbreport.com/motors/aviation/aevum-ravn-x-largest-autonomous-drone-1234584898/

In WW2, a number of B-17 heavy bombers were converted into drones. I'd have to look up the size of a B-17, but my guess is that it would be bigger...31.6m wingspan, 22.6m length, empty weight over 16,000Kg. A bit smaller overall, I think. But it shows that drones, even very big drones, go back further than many people think. I thought drones were a very recent thing until lockdown ramped up the number of military history videos I watch.

In case anyone is interested enough to want a quick summary but not interested enough to go searching: The B-17 drone project was a mixed bag. It worked and the B-17 drones flew but the limitations of early 1940s technology and the limitations of development time during war meant they weren't really good enough. One blew up midair for unknown reasons and the project was ended.
 
What about Roswell?

Something crashed there but more likely secret technology.

The thing is there is zero reason for Governments to keep it under wraps.
UFOlogists make the excuse that if the President said "Yes we have Aliens at Area 51 and they are no threat" the whole World will panic and we'll go into meltdown, the truth is we'll all go "Oh wow" and carry on waiting for more info.
I don't think there are any religions that would be opposed to it, even the Catholics have prepared for it and made a statement.
 
I have no doubt that aliens have visited us and the governments have evidence of this.

What is the basis for this thought? I used to think this way because of what online communities suggested but the bulk of these thought processes follow an agenda, typically an anti-government one and that it's fun to be a part of a movement that goes against the system.

The more I've grown older the more I've learned by myself through reading, watching, researching, becoming more familiar with the cosmos plus as much as I can to understand on how physics works. Quite frankly, I do not believe we have been visited by any intelligent beings and likely never will for as long as humans still live on this planet. The timespan is too short for the kind of unimaginable scale of even our own local group of star clusters. There is no doubt that they are out there, but the distances are so great that we are unlikely to ever meet them because of the distances involved. We may exchange messages one day, but they will take so long to receive either end that civilisations of any intelligent species will have come and gone in between messages.

Consider this, it would take around 200,000 years to travel across our own galaxy at the speed of light. Also consider that the universe is constantly expanding, at one point we will become part of a cosmic void because everything has expanded and spaced apart so much in the distant future. At one point the void will be so vast that from Earth (assuming it still exists) the night sky will have no stars and no sign of any activity due to the time it takes any light beyond the void to reach Earth's point in the void, and the universe is still expanding... There are already voids detected within the CMB that are so huge that no light will ever reach the centre of them.

As lonesome as it sounds, this little blue dot is all we've got! Which is amusing and ironic because many of our fellow humans would rather argue or hurt each other instead of making the most out of what we have!
 
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[..] There is no doubt that they are out there,

Yes, there is.

We have nowhere near enough information to be certain. We don't even have enough information to make anything more than faint speculation. We know just two relevant things - the universe is very big and that the chance of intelligent life existing is not zero. That's it. That's all we've got. We've no idea how rare it is. We've no idea how rare it is for intelligent life to survive and to develop knowledge and technology even to our current level. It seems to be a whole string of rare things on top of rare things, but maybe there are other paths to it. Maybe the process is inevitable given enough time and suitable conditions. Maybe some higher power is interfering, seeding life all over the place. Also, we've no idea what might happen to a species of people over long periods of time. Maybe some species of people somewhere reached our current level 100,000,000 years ago (not all that long on a universal scale) and are now extinct. Or moved to another universe. Or who knows what. We don't know enough for even moderately solid speculation, let alone absolute certainty.

but the distances are so great that we are unlikely to ever meet them because of the distances involved. We may exchange messages one day, but they will take so long to receive either end that civilisations of any intelligent species will have come and gone in between messages.

Consider this, it would take around 200,000 years to travel across our own galaxy at the speed of light.

Even with some hypothetical form of effectively superluminal travel from anywhere to anywhere, the odds would still be enormous. At a rate of 1,000,000,000 star systems surveyed per year, every year, it would take in the region of 1,000,000,000,000,000 years to survey the observable universe. The chance of any civilisation, even one capable of surveying 1,000,000,000 star systems per year happening to have surveyed anywhere near here within the last 100 years is infinitesimal. Maybe vast numbers of self-replicating robot probes descended from some launched a vast amount of time ago might do it. Maybe.

Also consider that the universe is constantly expanding, at one point we will become part of a cosmic void because everything has expanded and spaced apart so much in the distant future. At one point the void will be so vast that from Earth (assuming it still exists) the night sky will have no stars and no sign of any activity due to the time it takes any light beyond the void to reach Earth's point in the void, and the universe is still expanding... There are already voids detected within the CMB that are so huge that no light will ever reach the centre of them.

Earth will become uninhabitable or be completely destroyed long before that will happen. The sun won't last anywhere near that long on its main cycle. Unless future humans devise and implement a way to keep the sun on its main cycle or replace it with a fresh one or some other barely imaginable solution to that problem.
 
Maybe some higher power is interfering, seeding life all over the place.

One of my favourite Star Trek two parters covered this.
Jean Luc went on an archaeological dig looking for something that all the other Alien races were looking for and ended up at one planet.
So Jean is standing there surrounded by Klingons, Vulcans, Cardassians etc when an hologram appeared telling them all that they spawned the galaxy and that's why we all look like each other and are at the same technological level.
 
I've watched every episode of Ancient Aliens and not one thing has ever convinced me, absolutely loads of interesting stuff but nothing concrete.
I must have watched at least 5 other UFO documentaries (as I have done constantly) over the last two weeks but nothing in them.
I want to believe but nothing yet.

Also look up Fermi Paradox.

Logic is not necessary. Belief is fundamental. It is just a matter of time.
 
One of my favourite Star Trek two parters covered this.
Jean Luc went on an archaeological dig looking for something that all the other Alien races were looking for and ended up at one planet.
So Jean is standing there surrounded by Klingons, Vulcans, Cardassians etc when an hologram appeared telling them all that they spawned the galaxy and that's why we all look like each other and are at the same technological level.

If my memory of that episode is right, the figure in the hologram spent some time congratulating them for working together, assuming that they could only have succeeded by working together. Sheepish looks all round because they'd been working against each other more than with each other.

I don't think it's likely, but it's not impossible. My main point was that we don't know anywhere near enough to make any kind of conclusions. Not yet, anyway.
 
If my memory of that episode is right, the figure in the hologram spent some time congratulating them for working together, assuming that they could only have succeeded by working together. Sheepish looks all round because they'd been working against each other more than with each other.

This was it and not a two parter
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708789/

I don't think it's likely, but it's not impossible. My main point was that we don't know anywhere near enough to make any kind of conclusions. Not yet, anyway.

Personally I don't think so, too much distance even for those cinderella planets.
 
99% of UFOs are usually someone elses Drone tech I think.

The idea of an alien being piloting a vehicle and joyriding in our skies would argue nearly certainly it has to be carbon based.
Queue up the silicon being ideas. Queue up the beings made of water, which would then kind of be drones?

And they would have to have achieved travel beyond the speed of light and possibly even Intergalactic!
Which has only ever been achieved by The Beastie Boys.
 
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